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48 minutes ago, Dave6669 said:

Hang on Mate

 

I'm New and I'm asking a question

 

No need need to be a sarcastic male member

 

We all have to start somewhere.

 

Hope you Spring a leak you helpful person

 

 

🤣 You'll have to try and cultivate a sense of humour if you're new to boats and the forum and try not to take things so seriously.

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9 minutes ago, Dave6669 said:

I would get it as far south inland as possible and hand it over to someone experienced

 

Wherabouts is it currently ?

 

Its too big for much of the inland waterways so if (for example) it was at Hull then I don't think there is anywhere further South that you could 'take it out' to sea.

You could get down to Nottingham (on the Trent) but that would be it. A dead-end.

You could try to get from the Trent onto the Witham and out to the Wash at Boston - BUT you cannot get off the Tent to get onto the Witham, and the Witham locks are not big enough. So the Trent is a dead-end in that direction as well.

 

We are 14 foot beam and JUST squeeze into the canal locks without fenders, at 15 foot you won't fit in.

At 80 foot long you'll get into the big River locks, but you won't fit into the standard 72 foot Inland Canal locks.

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2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Wherabouts is it currently ?

 

Its too big for much of the inland waterways so if (for example) it was at Hull then I don't think there is anywhere further South that you could 'take it out' to sea.

You could get down to Nottingham (on the Trent) but that would be it. A dead-end.

You could try to get from the Trent onto the Witham and out to the Wash at Boston - BUT you cannot get off the Tent to get onto the Witham, and the Witham locks are not big enough. So the Trent is a dead-end in that direction as well.

Currently on the Aire and caldery

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Just now, Dave6669 said:

Currently on the Aire and caldery

 

OK, so your only way South is out of the Humber and down the coast.

There is no refuge between Spurn point and Boston (not ideal, very restricted tidal entry in the corner of the Wash) Next possible refuge is Wells Next the Sea, then Gt Yarmouth, Then Lowestoft

 

It takes us 13 hours to get from Hull Marina to Wells Next the Sea, and you can only enter Wells at +/- 2hours of high water, and it is an extremely dangerous place to try and get into in a 'bit of Weather', so really is a port of last resort if the wind is blowing.

 

In reality there is no real refuge between Spurn Point and Gt Yarmouth which, at an average of 5 kts would take around 30 hours (140nm) Lowestoft is a further 60nm (12-13 hours)

 

The lack of 'anywhere to go', dirty, shallow waters, & rough seas is the reaon we have moved one boat down to Plymouth and the other to Y-felinheli (North Wales near Caernarfon)

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I've seen them in Europe, various lengths in several places, there used to be one or two at Falmouth, think I might have seen one somewhere in Scotland some years ago and also the Isle of Wight, Bembridge (?) and of course the Thames. Basically you have a largish vessel that is relatively stable but that is probably underpowered for sea use and of course is much more dependant on weather and sea conditions than much else that goes to sea. Having said that of course with favourable conditions and a good plan of places that you could shelter in and avoiding adverse wind and tide whenever possible then yes. There are strains on an old boat though that can uncover problems so condition of the hull is kind of important as well as the machinery. Good luck.  Edit, What Alan has just said about shelter on the E. coast is right - there isn't much at all

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46 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

You could try to get from the Trent onto the Witham and out to the Wash at Boston - BUT you cannot get off the Tent to get onto the Witham, and the Witham locks are not big enough. So the Trent is a dead-end in that direction as well.

 

We are 14 foot beam and JUST squeeze into the canal locks without fenders, at 15 foot you won't fit in.

At 80 foot long you'll get into the big River locks, but you won't fit into the standard 72 foot Inland Canal locks.

Pretty sure Stamp End Lock on the Witham wouldn't take an 80ft wide boat. Ignore - didn't read properly.

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There is the possibility of stopping at Grimsby after Hull which is what we just did. We did Grimsby to Wells this morning .

Displacement boats do Grimsby to Wells (about 50Nm) in 9 hrs - two such boats arrived at Wells from Grimsby this evening on the slow passage plan.

 

Today wakes from ships were the biggest waves.

 

Picking the right day for with regard to weather and sea state  is the key . 

 

Whether a 75 year old barge can do it  is another matter.

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10 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

The lack of 'anywhere to go', dirty, shallow waters, & rough seas is the reaon we have moved one boat down to Plymouth and the other to Y-felinheli (North Wales near Caernarfon)

On the other hand the Humber and the North Sea is a  good training ground. 

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7 minutes ago, MartynG said:

On the other hand the Humber and the North Sea is a  good training ground. 

 

Our inshore / offshore "training ground" was always the Irish Sea, but, agree, whilst the North Sea is 'different' it does offer a wide range of conditions to experience.

It was mainly the lack of facilities & marinas, and no yard that could lift us (even the yards servicing the offshore wind farm service vessels and catamarans were unable to lift us) so hull cleaning and antifouling was a problem.

 

The South and West coasts are much more pleasant, the sea is actually blue/green as opposed to muddy brown, there is a depth of water (no more walking a mile across a sandy/muddy beach to get ashore) and the boating facilities are much more numerous - but more costly !

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Before anyone takes that boat to sea they need to make sure it is in a sea (or river) worthy condition.

 

It is being sold as a project boat with an engine that has been "rebuilt" but is not connected. It needs properly testing out before it is taken anywhere near the Humber never mind the sea!

 

The engine is an unknown, the gearbox is an unknown, the condition of the hull is unknown. Not a boat to be heading out to sea with IMO.

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2 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said:

The engine is an unknown, the gearbox is an unknown, the condition of the hull is unknown. Not a boat to be heading out to sea with IMO.

 

Maybe not even a boat to be purchased by someone who doesn't know whats involved and the likely 'run-away' costs.

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13 hours ago, Dave6669 said:

Just buying a 1945 humber barge ...........

 

When you say 'buying' I presume you mean 'bought' as the advert is showing 'sold'.

 

It may assist in giving further advice and reduce speculation if you could indicate the surveyors findings on the hull (assuming you had a survey)

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14 hours ago, Dave6669 said:

Currently on the Aire and caldery

 Probably one of the old boats between Pollington and Castleford. There used to be a nice 85ft new barge at Pollington called “Shamrock” a nice couple. They travelled the area to Eastwood quite happily for a number of years, all big electric locks, so no reason why you can’t do the same for a few years to get used to it. When they had enough of those waterways they sold it and bought a nice Narrowboat to do the rest of the network. “Shamrock” went down London/South, anyone seen her down that way?
  What’s the name of the boat? As I say stay in the local area for a while, nice big waterways to learn on and quiet. Good luck, 
   

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1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

 

But the OP has seen the hull - most of it is black.

 

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The top has been painted grey since that picture was taken and has had enough time to go rusty again :lol:

 

At £35k it was cheap. Probably cheap for a reason.

 

Hopefully a survey will flag this up to the OP unless it is too late!

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3 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said:

At £35k it was cheap. Probably cheap for a reason.

 

Looking for a cheap sea-going liveaboard I'd be more looking at this, asking price £16k

A good quality re-fit and update and you have a go-anywhere boat.

 

 

Motor Cruiser - picture 1

 

 

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Engine:
Twin Ford Sabre 212hp inboard Diesel
Hydraulics:
Power assisted steering.
Electronics:
2 banks of 6v batteries making 24v (1 domestic and one for engines). 240v shore power ring main (Unchecked).
Other information:
Built by Tyler/Camper and Nicholson 1981. Semi displacement craft. "One-off radical" design.
All mechanical engineering carried out to a good serviceable standard. Mechanically she is ready to go.
All new hoses and parts fitted, everything needed to get her to a serviceable and ready to go standard......new port impeller, all filters and oils, bilge pumps repaired, new stern glands, new gearbox breathers, fit one new rudder, repaired/re-furbed the two propellers (costing £1866), steering set up, repaired rudder bracket and tube, replaced power steering and gearbox hoses etc.

Sea trialled for 2.5 hours after the major works were carried out.

The whole of the aluminium superstructure is in need of repair due to water ingress. Interior timbers are in need of replacing or re-furbishing due to damp/condensation/water ingress damage and water marks.
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2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Looking for a cheap sea-going liveaboard I'd be more looking at this, asking price £16k

A good quality re-fit and update and you have a go-anywhere boat.

 

 

Motor Cruiser - picture 1

 

 

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Engine:
Twin Ford Sabre 212hp inboard Diesel
Hydraulics:
Power assisted steering.
Electronics:
2 banks of 6v batteries making 24v (1 domestic and one for engines). 240v shore power ring main (Unchecked).
Other information:
Built by Tyler/Camper and Nicholson 1981. Semi displacement craft. "One-off radical" design.
All mechanical engineering carried out to a good serviceable standard. Mechanically she is ready to go.
All new hoses and parts fitted, everything needed to get her to a serviceable and ready to go standard......new port impeller, all filters and oils, bilge pumps repaired, new stern glands, new gearbox breathers, fit one new rudder, repaired/re-furbed the two propellers (costing £1866), steering set up, repaired rudder bracket and tube, replaced power steering and gearbox hoses etc.

Sea trialled for 2.5 hours after the major works were carried out.

The whole of the aluminium superstructure is in need of repair due to water ingress. Interior timbers are in need of replacing or re-furbishing due to damp/condensation/water ingress damage and water marks.

 

Nice looking boat but this would put me off-

 

The whole of the aluminium superstructure is in need of repair due to water ingress. Interior timbers are in need of replacing or re-furbishing due to damp/condensation/water ingress damage and water marks.

 

What is involved in repairing an aluminium superstructure I wonder.

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In truth you've had all the answers to your first question now - Dav & Pen and Bee in particular have pointed to several keels and similar barges that have done it so in principle it's OK. Your next question should be asking what is meant by "suitable vessel" - what is it you would need to do to for it to cross the Channel safely, and what would you need to do for it to be easily worked once on Continental inland waterways (not quite the same answer). That sorts the vessel requirements, then you can look as the personal capability/competence issues in your spare time  😁

 

Good luck with the project - once you're looking for info about continental cruising the DBA has already been recommended.

 

Tam

 

as a p.s. KenK has pointed to some of the practical elements for Continental cruising, and you will find a lot more in the bargehandling.com link to my signature

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Our boat is a replica Luxemotor Dutch barge currently in the Netherlands.

To operate a boat of that size in Europe you'll need to hold an ICC (International Certificate of Competence), which means a motor training course and CEVNI test, ICC is issued by RYA.

As the boat is over 20 metres you'll need an ES-TRIN which is essentially a survey similar to a BSS in UK but covers a fair bit more.

Mooring in France for a boat that size will not be easy, they do exist but most marinas tend to have a maximum of 15 metres or thereabouts.

The boat Alan posted earlier is much more suitable for European waterways and much easier to get to Europe.

Finally join the DBA loads of information about cruising in Europe.

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