rasputin Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) Edited June 1, 2021 by rasputin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy D'arth Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 What? I see nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 There lived a certain man in Russia long agoHe was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glowMost people looked at him with terror and with fearBut to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dearHe could preach the Bible like a preacherFull of ecstasy and fireBut he also was the kind of teacherWomen would desire Ra ra RasputinLover of the Russian queenThere was a cat that really was goneRa ra RasputinRussia's greatest love machineIt was a shame how he carried on He ruled the Russian land and never mind the CzarBut the kazachok he danced really wunderbarIn all affairs of state he was the man to pleaseBut he was real great when he had a girl to squeezeFor the queen he was no wheeler dealerThough she'd heard the things he'd doneShe believed he was a holy healerWho would heal her son Ra ra RasputinLover of the Russian queenThere was a cat that really was goneRa ra RasputinRussia's greatest love machineIt was a shame how he carried on But when his drinking and lustingAnd his hunger for powerBecame known to more and more peopleThe demands to do somethingAbout this outrageous manBecame louder and louder Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, heyHey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, heyHey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, heyHey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey "This man's just got to go", declared his enemiesBut the ladies begged, "Don't you try to do it, please"No doubt this Rasputin had lots of hidden charmsThough he was a brute, they just fell into his armsThen one night some men of higher standingSet a trap, they're not to blame"Come to visit us", they kept demandingAnd he really came Ra ra RasputinLover of the Russian queenThey put some poison into his wineRa ra RasputinRussia's greatest love machineHe drank it all and said, "I feel fine" Ra ra RasputinLover of the Russian queenThey didn't quit, they wanted his headRa ra RasputinRussia's greatest love machineAnd so they shot him 'til he was dead Oh, those Russians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said: What? I see nothing. It was asking if CRT would excempt classic boats from bsc and a licence in the same way the Dvla do for mots and ved for classic cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, The Happy Nomad said: It was asking if CRT would exempt classic boats from bsc and a licence in the same way the Dvla do for mots and ved for classic cars. Isn't there already a reduced licence fee for boats over a certain age? I fail to see the relevance of the lyrics of a Boney M. song, but all credit to Alan for having the patience to type them out, even the "hey"s. Edited June 2, 2021 by Athy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Athy said: I fail to see the relevance of the lyrics of a Boney M. song, but all credit to Alan for having the patience to type them out, even the "hey"s. The posters forum name ...................... (it was a cut and paste, I couldn't type more than a couple of lines withoiy errurs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasputin Posted June 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Athy said: Isn't there already a reduced licence fee for boats over a certain age? I fail to see the relevance of the lyrics of a Boney M. song, but all credit to Alan for having the patience to type them out, even the "hey"s. It's a very weird form of bullying Edited June 2, 2021 by Athy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 8 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said: The posters forum name ...................... Ah yes, of course. Someone else's post interposed, so I didn't get that at first. Very (daddy) cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartland Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 May be it was Ma Baker that was the subject of the original post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steilsteven Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 12 hours ago, Athy said: Isn't there already a reduced licence fee for boats over a certain age? I wish there was! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWM Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 It would be nice to see some encouragement to keep some of the early recreational narrow boats, i.e., Rugby, Harbourer, etc. in original condition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, BWM said: It would be nice to see some encouragement to keep some of the early recreational narrow boats, i.e., Rugby, Harbourer, etc. in original condition. Cut and Past from C&RT site Historic boats on Canal & River Trust waterways claiming the 10% discount should contact Customer Services Centre who will calculate the value of your discount on your Gold Licence for you – it is a complicated formula as the 10% can only be applied to the Canal & River Trust element of your Gold Licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Brightley Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 5 hours ago, BWM said: It would be nice to see some encouragement to keep some of the early recreational narrow boats, i.e., Rugby, Harbourer, etc. in original condition. 6 hours ago, Steilsteven said: I wish there was! Keith The CRT form at https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/original/732-application-form-historic-boat-discount.pdf says "The basic structure of the boat should be more than fifty years old. Some later modifications may be acceptable but substantially altered boats will not be eligible for the discount. There are many publications which illustrate or describe most of the older boats still existent. Applicants should provide documentary or photographic evidence of the boat’s age and history. The materials and methods of construction are often indicative of the period of manufacture, e.g. virtually all riveted iron/steel construction occurred before 1948. 1. Age of Boat Boats should have been used primarily on UK inland navigation or UK coastal and estuarial waters. Boats built for the waterways of other countries are not usually eligible. 2. Relevance to the Heritage of the UK Inland Waterways There are old boats and there are historic old boats. A boat built more than fifty years ago is likely to be of historic value if its structure is either original, or an accurate reproduction in the same material as the original, using the same methods as the original. It should not have had substantial modifications to: • The hull • The cabin – exterior or interior • The engine • Any functional original equipment Modifications made early in the life of the boat are less significant than changes made in recent years. If the boat has been modified or converted, it should continue to ‘look the part’. For example, a traditional 1930’s narrowboat with a 3 m cabin extension, an under-canvas extension and perhaps an engine of 1950’s vintage, may be acceptable. A similar boat with a full length steel cabin would not. 3. Structural Condition The appearance should reflect the history of the boat. The paintwork should be traditional and the boat should be presented in a good state of repair. One or more recent photos showing the full length of the boat should be included with this application. Availability of well documented historical information about the boat will contribute to a positive decision." On this basis an early Harborough boat in near-original condition would be eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 28 minutes ago, John Brightley said: On this basis an early Harborough boat in near-original condition would be eligible. But my 1936 ex-working boat, with full length steel cabin is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWM Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 20 hours ago, John Brightley said: The CRT form at https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/original/732-application-form-historic-boat-discount.pdf says "The basic structure of the boat should be more than fifty years old. Some later modifications may be acceptable but substantially altered boats will not be eligible for the discount. There are many publications which illustrate or describe most of the older boats still existent. Applicants should provide documentary or photographic evidence of the boat’s age and history. The materials and methods of construction are often indicative of the period of manufacture, e.g. virtually all riveted iron/steel construction occurred before 1948. 1. Age of Boat Boats should have been used primarily on UK inland navigation or UK coastal and estuarial waters. Boats built for the waterways of other countries are not usually eligible. 2. Relevance to the Heritage of the UK Inland Waterways There are old boats and there are historic old boats. A boat built more than fifty years ago is likely to be of historic value if its structure is either original, or an accurate reproduction in the same material as the original, using the same methods as the original. It should not have had substantial modifications to: • The hull • The cabin – exterior or interior • The engine • Any functional original equipment Modifications made early in the life of the boat are less significant than changes made in recent years. If the boat has been modified or converted, it should continue to ‘look the part’. For example, a traditional 1930’s narrowboat with a 3 m cabin extension, an under-canvas extension and perhaps an engine of 1950’s vintage, may be acceptable. A similar boat with a full length steel cabin would not. 3. Structural Condition The appearance should reflect the history of the boat. The paintwork should be traditional and the boat should be presented in a good state of repair. One or more recent photos showing the full length of the boat should be included with this application. Availability of well documented historical information about the boat will contribute to a positive decision." On this basis an early Harborough boat in near-original condition would be eligible. That's good to know, i wonder how many owners of these boats are aware of this - there are two boats locally and i will definitely inform them in case they don't. 20 hours ago, David Mack said: But my 1936 ex-working boat, with full length steel cabin is not. The full length cabin is outside of their specified alterations, and the other narrow boats being discussed were built with such a cabin in place - i have secured the discount for Hawkesbury as it retains the original timber back cabin, riveted engine room and the 5 metres behind the cratch assembly have been returned to its original state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steilsteven Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 On 02/06/2021 at 18:20, John Brightley said: The CRT form at https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/original/732-application-form-historic-boat-discount.pdf says "The basic structure of the boat should be more than fifty years old. Some later modifications may be acceptable but substantially altered boats will not be eligible for the discount. There are many publications which illustrate or describe most of the older boats still existent. Applicants should provide documentary or photographic evidence of the boat’s age and history. The materials and methods of construction are often indicative of the period of manufacture, e.g. virtually all riveted iron/steel construction occurred before 1948. 1. Age of Boat Boats should have been used primarily on UK inland navigation or UK coastal and estuarial waters. Boats built for the waterways of other countries are not usually eligible. 2. Relevance to the Heritage of the UK Inland Waterways There are old boats and there are historic old boats. A boat built more than fifty years ago is likely to be of historic value if its structure is either original, or an accurate reproduction in the same material as the original, using the same methods as the original. It should not have had substantial modifications to: • The hull • The cabin – exterior or interior • The engine • Any functional original equipment Modifications made early in the life of the boat are less significant than changes made in recent years. If the boat has been modified or converted, it should continue to ‘look the part’. For example, a traditional 1930’s narrowboat with a 3 m cabin extension, an under-canvas extension and perhaps an engine of 1950’s vintage, may be acceptable. A similar boat with a full length steel cabin would not. 3. Structural Condition The appearance should reflect the history of the boat. The paintwork should be traditional and the boat should be presented in a good state of repair. One or more recent photos showing the full length of the boat should be included with this application. Availability of well documented historical information about the boat will contribute to a positive decision." On this basis an early Harborough boat in near-original condition would be eligible. Yes but that isn't quite as simple as Athy put it. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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