Explains my electrical system which is like no other

[Alan de Enfield]

1 minute ago, Chagall said:

It did!     Likewise the laughing face can be used as laughing with or at, its always tricky to know for sure which is being signalled!  ?

 

Adding the laughing face increased your greenie count so presumably it is a 'positive' greenie.

[Chagall]

Just now, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Adding the laughing face increased your greenie count so presumably it is a 'positive' greenie.

Thank you, I took it as so!  ?

[tree monkey]

15 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Try giving an angry greenie and see if the count changes.

If it could be used as a positive it would add to count.

 

Having had time to do some more experimentation it would appear I was actually wrong and the horror, sad and unimpressed ones don't add to the count.

But my original percentage calculations still stand.

I don't care enough to make the effort I'm afraid, the greeny thing is a nice way to acknowledge someone post for some reason and if someone feels the need to post an angry react so be it, beyond that meh, it doesn't keep me awake at night anyway

[alias]

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Edited May 16, 2021 by alias
It's all been said...

[Iain_S]

4 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

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In the last 11 years on forum membershiop I have only issued a total of 11 'negative greenies' (8 angry and 3 unimpressed) and I do not recall that any were directed to Lady G

Does that include the tears of laughter ones? 

[Athy]

42 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Try giving an angry greenie and see if the count changes.

If it could be used as a positive it would add to count.

 

Having had time to do some more experimentation it would appear I was actually wrong and the horror, sad and unimpressed ones don't add to the count.

 

...and you are correct. I raised the point backstage and it seems that the ones you mention are neutral. The only one which subtracted a point was the red button (in the days when we had only green and red, none of these recent additions such as the ones you mention). It's still there but is disabled, so it doesn't show on the public pages.

[Tracy D'arth]

7 minutes ago, Athy said:

...and you are correct. I raised the point backstage and it seems that the ones you mention are neutral. The only one which subtracted a point was the red button (in the days when we had only green and red, none of these recent additions such as the ones you mention). It's still there but is disabled, so it doesn't show on the public pages.

Do NOT press the red button!        ........................................................................................         BANG!

[Joe Bourke]

Dear LadyG,

 

I have this morning collared the previous owner of your boat, who by the way is one of the kindest most helpful gents in the marina.

 

First of all I asked him about the bow batteries. They used to drive the bow thruster but when the bow thruster was removed they were connected to the inverter situated by them, and cabin 12v circuits, and could also be charged from the stern with solar and engine. There was a fuse adjacent to the bow batteries and also an isolator. There was also a small mains charger there as well. There are hefty welding cables going from the stern to the bow for charging those bow batteries. There is also a massive earth cable ringing the entire cabin to "t" into if needed (his words). He also had a small 300watt inverter to just run the telly to save using the big inverter and so saving power. There was a voltage meter up by the bow batteries.

 

In the galley somewhere near the fridge was a white unit and in it was an automatic switching relay. As soon as you unplugged shore power the fridge was on 12v cabin batteries. When on shore power it powered the fridge without using the 12v batteries. That way the fridge didn't use the cabin batteries when on land-line.

 

Now the stern.

You have mentioned 3 isolators in a line. 1 - Engine Starter Battery.

                                                                         2 - Domestic Batteries 

                                                                         3 - Bow Batteries 

ALL batteries could be charged via solar or engine if necessary by using the isolators. Or prioritising the charging of the different batteries using the isolators if necessary. Once again there are hefty cables going from stern to bow for charging. 

 

By the way he said everything was labelled.

 

That's about as much as I can remember. It is unfortunate that you couldn't get a better, more direct explanation from him when you were both living in the marina.  I am aware that you have had umpteen electricians on the boat so alot of this info might be a waste of time.

 

Hope this helps.  

Joe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheBiscuits]

27 minutes ago, Athy said:

...and you are correct. I raised the point backstage and it seems that the ones you mention are neutral. The only one which subtracted a point was the red button (in the days when we had only green and red, none of these recent additions such as the ones you mention). It's still there but is disabled, so it doesn't show on the public pages.

 

Turn it back on, with an automated 12 hour ban when you get 5 of them ...

 

Let the games begin!

[GUMPY]

One of the caravan forums I am on has turned off all likes etc as it was divisive ?

I miss it in some ways as there is no way to recognise someone giving good advise.

However the forum is now a better place to be as all threads on likes etc have disappeared ?

[Tony Brooks]

51 minutes ago, Joe Bourke said:

Dear LadyG,

 

I have this morning collared the previous owner of your boat, who by the way is one of the kindest most helpful gents in the marina.

 

First of all I asked him about the bow batteries. They used to drive the bow thruster but when the bow thruster was removed they were connected to the inverter situated by them, and cabin 12v circuits, and could also be charged from the stern with solar and engine. There was a fuse adjacent to the bow batteries and also an isolator. There was also a small mains charger there as well. There are hefty welding cables going from the stern to the bow for charging those bow batteries. There is also a massive earth cable ringing the entire cabin to "t" into if needed (his words). He also had a small 300watt inverter to just run the telly to save using the big inverter and so saving power. There was a voltage meter up by the bow batteries.

 

In the galley somewhere near the fridge was a white unit and in it was an automatic switching relay. As soon as you unplugged shore power the fridge was on 12v cabin batteries. When on shore power it powered the fridge without using the 12v batteries. That way the fridge didn't use the cabin batteries when on land-line.

 

Now the stern.

You have mentioned 3 isolators in a line. 1 - Engine Starter Battery.

                                                                         2 - Domestic Batteries 

                                                                         3 - Bow Batteries 

ALL batteries could be charged via solar or engine if necessary by using the isolators. Or prioritising the charging of the different batteries using the isolators if necessary. Once again there are hefty cables going from stern to bow for charging. 

 

By the way he said everything was labelled.

 

That's about as much as I can remember. It is unfortunate that you couldn't get a better, more direct explanation from him when you were both living in the marina.  I am aware that you have had umpteen electricians on the boat so alot of this info might be a waste of time.

 

Hope this helps.  

Joe

 

Thanks Joe

 

That rules out the chances of a charge splitter.

 

Now I wonder if the isolator for the box batteries is playing up. That could easily explain the low voltage.

 

[Debby]

1 hour ago, Joe Bourke said:

Dear LadyG,

 

I have this morning collared the previous owner of your boat, who by the way is one of the kindest most helpful gents in the marina.

 

First of all I asked him about the bow batteries. They used to drive the bow thruster but when the bow thruster was removed they were connected to the inverter situated by them, and cabin 12v circuits, and could also be charged from the stern with solar and engine. There was a fuse adjacent to the bow batteries and also an isolator. There was also a small mains charger there as well. There are hefty welding cables going from the stern to the bow for charging those bow batteries. There is also a massive earth cable ringing the entire cabin to "t" into if needed (his words). He also had a small 300watt inverter to just run the telly to save using the big inverter and so saving power. There was a voltage meter up by the bow batteries.

 

In the galley somewhere near the fridge was a white unit and in it was an automatic switching relay. As soon as you unplugged shore power the fridge was on 12v cabin batteries. When on shore power it powered the fridge without using the 12v batteries. That way the fridge didn't use the cabin batteries when on land-line.

 

Now the stern.

You have mentioned 3 isolators in a line. 1 - Engine Starter Battery.

                                                                         2 - Domestic Batteries 

                                                                         3 - Bow Batteries 

ALL batteries could be charged via solar or engine if necessary by using the isolators. Or prioritising the charging of the different batteries using the isolators if necessary. Once again there are hefty cables going from stern to bow for charging. 

 

By the way he said everything was labelled.

 

That's about as much as I can remember. It is unfortunate that you couldn't get a better, more direct explanation from him when you were both living in the marina.  I am aware that you have had umpteen electricians on the boat so alot of this info might be a waste of time.

 

Hope this helps.  

Joe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

Thanks Joe

 

That rules out the chances of a charge splitter.

 

Now I wonder if the isolator for the box batteries is playing up. That could easily explain the low voltage.

 

Tony and Joe, I have messaged LadyG about Joe's post. Hopefully she'll read it shortly.

[Tony Brooks]

2 minutes ago, DaveandDebby said:

 

 

Tony and Joe, I have messaged LadyG about Joe's post. Hopefully she'll read it shortly.

 

So have I with some explanation about what it PROBABLY means. It looks like the dreaded cheap isolator switch thing may have struck again.

[PD1964]

The 1 starter, 2  domestic, 3 bow batteries isolation set up is fairly common as I mentioned previously saying she needs to leave 3 on to charge the bow, as the original owner done.

  I don’t know why these 3 isolation switches have now multiplied to 7 or 8 as she says in her last post???

  The first thing that anyone should of done was to test the supply through No3 to bow batteries to check the isolation switch wasn’t at fault, I’m surprised this hasn’t been done, maybe it’s hit or miss and would be better off just replacing?

  Just going around in circles with this one.

Edited May 16, 2021 by PD1964

[Joe Bourke]

2 minutes ago, DaveandDebby said:

 

 

Tony and Joe, I have messaged LadyG about Joe's post. Hopefully she'll read it shortly.

That's the problem, who's blocked/ignored? Who's not?

I am happy to ask the previous owner further questions, he seems totally happy to talk.  He is an electrician by the way.?

[Debby]

5 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

So have I with some explanation about what it PROBABLY means. It looks like the dreaded cheap isolator switch thing may have struck again.

Hopefully it'll all help Kev if he turns up on Wednesday!

2 minutes ago, Joe Bourke said:

That's the problem, who's blocked/ignored? Who's not?

I am happy to ask the previous owner further questions, he seems totally happy to talk.  He is an electrician by the way.?

I'm sure you're not blocked, Joe! If you are, LadyG is still able to read your post now she knows it's here. A friendly electrician is supposed to be visiting the boat on Wednesday, so hopefully the information will be useful to him.

Debby

[PD1964]

7 minutes ago, Joe Bourke said:

That's the problem, who's blocked/ignored? Who's not?

I am happy to ask the previous owner further questions, he seems totally happy to talk.  He is an electrician by the way.?

  With him being at Google where she was moored for a while after she bought the boat , surly there was time to do a comprehensive hand over and explain the systems on board?

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by PD1964

[Chagall]

14 minutes ago, PD1964 said:

  With him being at Google where she was moored for a while after she bought the boat , surly there was time to do a comprehensive hand over and explain the systems on board?

 

This is the trouble with google though, there is just rather a lot of information! 

[Naughty Cal]

17 minutes ago, PD1964 said:

  With him being at Google where she was moored for a while after she bought the boat , surly there was time to do a comprehensive hand over and explain the systems on board?

 

She would have had to get off the boat and speak to someone to do that though.

 

From memory her earlier posts about life on the boat were very much complaining about people being outside and socialising ?

 

She didn't hit it off on the right foot in Goole!

[Chagall]

6 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said:

She would have had to get off the boat and speak to someone to do that though.

 

From memory her earlier posts about life on the boat were very much complaining about people being outside and socialising ?

 

She didn't hit it off on the right foot in Goole!

To be fair there was a pandemic lockdown at the time.

[Joe Bourke]

31 minutes ago, PD1964 said:

The 1 starter, 2  domestic, 3 bow batteries isolation set up is fairly common as I mentioned previously saying she needs to leave 3 on to charge the bow, as the original owner done.

  I don’t know why these 3 isolation switches have now multiplied to 7 or 8 as she says in her last post???

  The first thing that anyone should of done was to test the supply through No3 to bow batteries to check the isolation switch wasn’t at fault, I’m surprised this hasn’t been done, maybe it’s hit or miss and would be better off just replacing?

  Just going around in circles with this one.

Apparently there was a voltmeter by the bow batteries so easy to check. My feeling is that the isolator(s), the one at the bow batteries and the one at the stern are not in the correct positions for the charge from the solar or engine to get through. There is also a fuse by the bow batteries, is that ok? 

[PD1964]

1 minute ago, Naughty Cal said:

She would have had to get off the boat and speak to someone to do that though.

 

From memory her earlier posts about life on the boat were very much complaining about people being outside and socialising ?

 

She didn't hit it off on the right foot in Goole!

I know, but she bought the boat well before any Covid-19 restrictions, maybe the previous owner was one of the electricians that she has fell out with. We will never know the full story I think and this Post will just go around in circles going nowhere fast.

3 minutes ago, Chagall said:

To be fair there was a pandemic lockdown at the time.

I’m sure she bought the boat well before any COVID-19 restrictions and was wintering at Goole before the current situation.

[Alan de Enfield]

17 minutes ago, Chagall said:

This is the trouble with google though, there is just rather a lot of information! 

 

Google = Goole where the previous owner of the boat is and where Lady G was moored for many months, and her first 5 electricians were trialled.

[PD1964]

4 minutes ago, Joe Bourke said:

Apparently there was a voltmeter by the bow batteries so easy to check. My feeling is that the isolator(s), the one at the bow batteries and the one at the stern are not in the correct positions for the charge from the solar or engine to get through. There is also a fuse by the bow batteries, is that ok? 

I don’t think we will ever know as she is very reluctant or cannot give the information people are asking in order to help. This is always the problem with these situations, sometimes you can’t get the full picture. So best leave it to the new electrician to sort this week.

[Chagall]

3 minutes ago, PD1964 said:

 

I’m sure she bought the boat well before any COVID-19 restrictions and was wintering at Goole before the current situation.

Okay, I understand, then it must just have been the time when she wanted to leave the marina. The guy may well have tried to explain the system but I do understand the whole way over the top of ones head syndrome! 

 

I went on one of Tony Brook's engine maintenance courses along with 'lemontoes' formerly of this parish but both of us appeared mystified for much of the time. I came away with sheafs of information though! 

3 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Google = Goole where the previous owner of the boat is and where Lady G was moored for many months, and her first 5 electricians were trialled.

Yes I realised that, my humour is so often far too dry! ... and obviously not funny at al!