ditchcrawler Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 1 minute ago, howardang said: I couldn't agree more and IMHO that's the downside of this forum (and other similar ones). Too much irrelevant information which, although possibly accurate, can really cloud a straightforward issue and I suspect leave the enquirer more confused at the end than at the beginning! It would be nice to see some so-called experts preface their remarks with a comment such as "in my experience" or, heaven forbid, occasionally acknowledge that there may be more than one way of solving a problem and that others may have a better solution. I think, however, that this is a forlorn hope. For what it's worth, my advice to anyone seeking advice on forums such as this would be to look at the various postings but don't necessarily assume that all contributors are necessarily experts or even experienced in all matters, and I include myself in that.? Howard Maybe if the legal problem had be outlined in the first post there would have been a lot less nonapplicable answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, howardang said: I couldn't agree more and IMHO that's the downside of this forum (and other similar ones). Too much irrelevant information which, although possibly accurate, can really cloud a straightforward issue and I suspect leave the enquirer more confused at the end than at the beginning! It would be nice to see some so-called experts preface their remarks with a comment such as "in my experience" or, heaven forbid, occasionally acknowledge that there may be more than one way of solving a problem and that others may have a better solution. I think, however, that this is a forlorn hope. For what it's worth, my advice to anyone seeking advice on forums such as this would be to look at the various postings but don't necessarily assume that all contributors are necessarily experts or even experienced in all matters, and I include myself in that.? Howard If there are several opinions, so be it, but no one has suggested going to Court or taking legal opinion, which I think was the reason for the post? I'm not sure the question is simple. A forum, going back to the Greeks and the Romans, is a meeting place for people to publivly express their views, there can be no discussion if everyone has the same opinion Edited April 25, 2021 by LadyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: Maybe if the legal problem had be outlined in the first post there would have been a lot less nonapplicable answers It could only really be one of two things : 1) No RCD / Not RCD compliant 2) Not fit for purpose / not as advertised As per post No2 If it is No1 then she needs marine legal assistance, if it is No2 then she needs someone with expertise on the Cosumer Rights Act 2015 (which replaces the Sale of Goods Act 1979) If she is looking to take legal action it would be unlikely to succeed and she would be throwing away money that could be used to repair the boat. Under the new 2017 regulations the lack of the RCD is a worry, but she can certainly investigate proceedings against the builder. (Remember the last one to work on the boat becomes the builder, so whoever fitted it out is the builder, not the Hull builder) Edited April 25, 2021 by Alan de Enfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Old Son said: ... The boat was sold as being 3 years old, it turns out the boat is actually 4 years old. There are valid reasons why this could happen, without any dishonesty. A boat doesn't have a defined "date of birth": is it when the shell was started / shell completed / fit out completed / delivered "new" to first owner, etc? Even if there was an agreed date, I am sure there would be plenty of sale particulars drafted when a boat is "x" years old, but which then pass a "birthday" without those particulars bing updated so are ""x+1" when sold. And a one year difference doesn't really matter at all - it is not like there is an MOT certificate which expires after 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, howardang said: I couldn't agree more and IMHO that's the downside of this forum (and other similar ones). Too much irrelevant information which, although possibly accurate, can really cloud a straightforward issue and I suspect leave the enquirer more confused at the end than at the beginning! It would be nice to see some so-called experts preface their remarks with a comment such as "in my experience" or, heaven forbid, occasionally acknowledge that there may be more than one way of solving a problem and that others may have a better solution. I think, however, that this is a forlorn hope. For what it's worth, my advice to anyone seeking advice on forums such as this would be to look at the various postings but don't necessarily assume that all contributors are necessarily experts or even experienced in all matters, and I include myself in that.? Howard And me, although perhaps I might know a bit more than a typical boater about certain subjects. As far as I am concerned every day is a school day one way or another. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J R ALSOP Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 Or as I always say Caveat Emptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Tony Brooks said: Those were my thoughts but I did not post them because of the danger of being put off for life you identify. I also wonder how someone who's not very technical can sort the good advice from the bad and downright misleading. I am not suggesting the poor advice is malicious though, In the end, you have to take a punt on which bit of the occasionally contradictory advice you take. Same as with everything on the net, really. If you stay here a while, you pick up on who actually knows stuff with real expertise and training, and those who speak just from experience. Both are useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardang Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 5 hours ago, ditchcrawler said: Maybe if the legal problem had be outlined in the first post there would have been a lot less nonapplicable answers Very true but I was actually speaking more generally than just this specific thread. Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardang Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: In the end, you have to take a punt on which bit of the occasionally contradictory advice you take. Same as with everything on the net, really. If you stay here a while, you pick up on who actually knows stuff with real expertise and training, and those who speak just from experience. Both are useful. Quite right but also sometimes a good talker or manipulator of Google can give a false impression of their background and/or experience? Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 2 hours ago, howardang said: Quite right but also sometimes a good talker or manipulator of Google can give a false impression of their background and/or experience? Howard Very true, which is why you should never believe anything on the net without double checking. Mind you, that goes for the papers too, except the Mail, Telegraph and the Sun, which you should just never believe. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: Very true, which is why you should never believe anything on the net without double checking. Mind you, that goes for the papers too, except the Mail, Telegraph and the Sun, which you should just never believe. Thank goodness the Mirror is OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: Very true, which is why you should never believe anything on the net without double checking. Mind you, that goes for the papers too, except the Mail, Telegraph and the Sun, which you should just never believe. Does this mean Freddie Starr may not have eaten someone's hamster after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 Facebook is the best place for true information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 Just now, Sea Dog said: Does this mean Freddie Starr may not have eaten someone's hamster after all? And Marianne Faithful really ate the Mars bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Todd Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 On 25/04/2021 at 12:58, Cheese said: There are valid reasons why this could happen, without any dishonesty. A boat doesn't have a defined "date of birth": is it when the shell was started / shell completed / fit out completed / delivered "new" to first owner, etc? Even if there was an agreed date, I am sure there would be plenty of sale particulars drafted when a boat is "x" years old, but which then pass a "birthday" without those particulars bing updated so are ""x+1" when sold. And a one year difference doesn't really matter at all - it is not like there is an MOT certificate which expires after 3 years. RCD date is important as after 4 years is when the first BSSC is needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 40 minutes ago, Mike Todd said: RCD date is important as after 4 years is when the first BSSC is needed I wonder if the boat in question was ever licenced, with no RCD it would require a BSS which I think the OP said along with the RCD it doesn't have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 45 minutes ago, Mike Todd said: RCD date is important as after 4 years is when the first BSSC is needed Yes, after 4 years you need a BSC, but there is no reason why you can't get a BSC earlier. Home -built-for-own-use boats using the five year rule have to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 minute ago, David Mack said: Yes, after 4 years you need a BSC, but there is no reason why you can't get a BSC earlier. Home -built-for-own-use boats using the five year rule have to do this. But that first BSS lasts for 4 years and the OP said this boat doesn't have one, so therefore it has ether never had one of not only is the boat more than 3 years old, its more than 4 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: But that first BSS lasts for 4 years and the OP said this boat doesn't have one, so therefore it has ether never had one of not only is the boat more than 3 years old, its more than 4 years old Or the paper BSC was not provided to the buyer at the time of purchase (but it may still be shown on CRT's system). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Son Posted April 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 It seems paperwork was promised when the boat was purchased and none of it has been forthcoming. Your advice has followed my own thoughts and whilst appearing quite unfair on the purchaser, she should have sought advice. I don't think she will take this any further, take it on the chin as a lessons learnt. It puts her in a difficult position if she wants to sell the boat, no RCD. She will probably have to wait until the boat is confirmed as 5 years old and get a BSC. Thank you for all your input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 On 25/04/2021 at 20:31, Alan de Enfield said: And Marianne Faithful really ate the Mars bar You're very naughty for even remembering that - a true gentleman would have forgotten it immediately! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sea Dog said: You're very naughty for even remembering that - a true gentleman would have forgotten it immediately! I was at an age when hormones were at a peak and I was seriously influenced by such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: I was at an age when hormones were at a peak and I was seriously influenced by such things. The lady in the paper shop probably had you sussed from your bulk buying of Mars bars... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sea Dog said: The lady in the paper shop probably had you sussed from your bulk buying of Mars bars... It was a male, and not only sold us Mars bars, but broke down packs of Players No10 Cigarettes and sold us singles with 2 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said: It was a male, and not only sold us Mars bars, but broke down packs of Players No10 Cigarettes and sold us singles with 2 matches. Them were t'days! Handful of cold gravel for breakfast and then having to lick t'road clean wi t' tongue. You tell t'kids of today that - they won't believe you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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