Visiting our boats

[blackrose]

2 hours ago, Rivelin said:

This thread started with a glimmer of positivism.... *sigh*

 

What part of discussion forum don't you understand?  *sigh*

[Arthur Marshall]

2 hours ago, blackrose said:

 

I thought woke types were supposed to be socially conscious? Surely the most socially responsible thing to do is follow the rules and prevent excess hospitalisations & deaths? Yet we have people rioting supposedly in the name of "freedom" and woke causes.

 

I'm all in favour of freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of protest, but not when people are still dying of this pandemic en masse. Anti-lockdown protesters are as bad as the anti-vaxers in my opinion, and left wing conspiracy theories are as bad as right wing conspiracy theories.

I'm afraid that if a government is about to pass a law that basically says anything you do publicly to complain about injustice is going to be a criminal offence, you'd better make your objection known while it's still just about legal. Because it won't be in a few weeks time.

And when you see films of police wading in with batons flying, and get told 12 of them get hurt and not a single protester, then you know you're being lied to.

And, if no protest is legal, then you might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb, and set fire to few things if you can, preferably symbols of authority. If this law passes, expect more of it.  It's a shame, but you can't have one without the other.

Demonstrations never achieve anything, they're a total waste of everybody's time, but they're a safety valve for angry or frustrated people because they think they've been heard. You can't stop them by making them illegal, but you can stop them being peaceful and turn them into riots.

[Rivelin]

2 hours ago, Rivelin said:

This thread started with a glimmer of positivism.... *sigh*

*sigh*

[harleyj]

I would love to visit our boat, but just a bit far to drop in for the day. On a more serious note we are booked to fly in on 30/5/21 subject to our government  getting there a@#s into gear and getting us vaccinated.  Keeping our fingers crossed.

[STIG]

The outdoor socialising rules change in the second section of reopening. From Mar 29, six people from six different households are allowed to meet outside, meaning the so-called ‘rule of six’ returns. Alternatively, two households can meet outside. This means two families, who potentially together total more than six people, will be allowed to meet. This can happen in both outdoor public spaces and in back gardens.

The 'stay at home' guidance will be dropped. There will also be a significant loosening in how far people can travel to see someone outside. 

While people will still be encouraged to minimise travel, there will not be punishments for someone who drives a few hours for a meet-up outside, then returns that day. 

 

Particular attention to the last paragraph on travel 

Edited March 23, 2021 by STIG

[cuthound]

14 hours ago, Rivelin said:

From: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/environment-agency-waterways-coronavirus-covid-19-update/environment-agency-waterways-coronavirus-covid-19-update-5-march-2021

 

8 March: Stay local (stay in the village, town or part of the city where you live)

29 March: Minimise travel

 

 

 

 

Indeed, as I have said before, technically you are limited to the two nearest places where you can turn the boat... ?

[doratheexplorer]

14 hours ago, Rivelin said:

 

 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, Rivelin said:

From: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/environment-agency-waterways-coronavirus-covid-19-update/environment-agency-waterways-coronavirus-covid-19-update-5-march-2021

 

8 March: Stay local (stay in the village, town or part of the city where you live)

29 March: Minimise travel

 

 

 

The distinction between 'stay local' and 'minimise travel' is rather vague.

 

Consider this:  'minimise travel' is the planned guidance up to at least the 20th of June.  Yet hire companies will be hiring out boats for the week from 12th of April.  These two positions are mutually incompatible, and therefore 'minimise travel' is pretty meaningless when it comes to boating, unless doing the 4 counties ring in a weeks counts as minimal travel.

Edited March 23, 2021 by doratheexplorer

[Mike Todd]

10 hours ago, harleyj said:

I would love to visit our boat, but just a bit far to drop in for the day. On a more serious note we are booked to fly in on 30/5/21 subject to our government  getting there a@#s into gear and getting us vaccinated.  Keeping our fingers crossed.

Government statements this week indicate that this is not a given option - depends on their reaction to evidence of a Third Wave (sadly, not an artistic movement!)

[Sally Grim]

12 hours ago, harleyj said:

I would love to visit our boat, but just a bit far to drop in for the day. On a more serious note we are booked to fly in on 30/5/21 subject to our government  getting there a@#s into gear and getting us vaccinated.  Keeping our fingers crossed.

 

Same here. Crossing my fingers for being able to visit our boat in step 3. Hopefully it will at least be OK in step 4, then we might even be vaccinated!

 

But we haven't dared to book any flights yet, since we've had to cancel all trips but one last year. 

[TheBiscuits]

4 hours ago, doratheexplorer said:

These two positions are mutually incompatible, and therefore 'minimise travel' is pretty meaningless when it comes to boating, unless doing the 4 counties ring in a weeks counts as minimal travel.

 

The current stoppages will help 'minimise travel' round the 4 Counties and Cheshire rings ...

[cuthound]

4 hours ago, doratheexplorer said:

 

The distinction between 'stay local' and 'minimise travel' is rather vague.

 

Consider this:  'minimise travel' is the planned guidance up to at least the 20th of June.  Yet hire companies will be hiring out boats for the week from 12th of April.  These two positions are mutually incompatible, and therefore 'minimise travel' is pretty meaningless when it comes to boating, unless doing the 4 counties ring in a weeks counts as minimal travel.

 

Perhaps they should encourage people to spend their holidsys cruising the Wardle Canal... ??

[john6767]

4 hours ago, doratheexplorer said:

 

The distinction between 'stay local' and 'minimise travel' is rather vague.

 

Consider this:  'minimise travel' is the planned guidance up to at least the 20th of June.  Yet hire companies will be hiring out boats for the week from 12th of April.  These two positions are mutually incompatible, and therefore 'minimise travel' is pretty meaningless when it comes to boating, unless doing the 4 counties ring in a weeks counts as minimal travel.

The minimise travel one is as you say a bit of a conflict, but given from 12 April self catering holidays and second homes are OK, then you have to take it that it is OK to travel for that, but Derbyshire police probably have their own view on that.

 

The context of the minimised domestic travel order is;

People should continue to work from home where they can, minimise domestic travel where they can. International holidays will still be prohibited.

 

[doratheexplorer]

1 minute ago, john6767 said:

The minimise travel one is as you say a bit of a conflict, but given from 12 April self catering holidays and second homes are OK, then you have to take it that it is OK to travel for that, but Derbyshire police probably have their own view on that.

 

The context of the minimised domestic travel order is;

People should continue to work from home where they can, minimise domestic travel where they can. International holidays will still be prohibited.

 

I'm interpreting it as:  Don't just drive around the country willy-nilly.  Travel if there's some purpose/point to the travelling.  If the point is 'going on holiday' then that's fine, and it applies to boating too.  On that basis, I plan to start cruising (as a liveaboard) fairly normally from next monday.

[Jerra]

19 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:

I'm interpreting it as:  Don't just drive around the country willy-nilly.  Travel if there's some purpose/point to the travelling.  If the point is 'going on holiday' then that's fine, and it applies to boating too.  On that basis, I plan to start cruising (as a liveaboard) fairly normally from next monday.

I can see that working well for boating, however up here in the Lakes once they have travelled to the Lakes they will then "just drive around the country willy-nilly."

[robtheplod]

Wild horses cant stop me visiting boat on Monday......   Prepping it for a days cruise over Easter some time, then overnights from April 12th!!  With the restrictions in place us boaters are so lucky to have this ability, so many will have their plans cancelled I suspect...

 

[Mike Todd]

51 minutes ago, cuthound said:

 

Perhaps they should encourage people to spend their holidsys cruising the Wardle Canal... ??

Yes, but since it is not a ring, where are the winding holes so that they can return to base at the end of the trip?

[TheBiscuits]

3 minutes ago, Mike Todd said:

Yes, but since it is not a ring, where are the winding holes so that they can return to base at the end of the trip?

 

Even first time hirers should be able to reverse that far ...

[Mike Todd]

Just now, TheBiscuits said:

 

Even first time hirers should be able to reverse that far ...

Oh well, now you have spoiled the joke . . .