ditchcrawler Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 The boaters survey into the BSS is now live, I haven't worked through it yet as you have to do it in one hit http://bit.ly/BSSB2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 It is not a BSS survey per-se, I suggest it is questions leading to making Smoke alarms, and having a fire 'response plan', mandatory. (They should !) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: It is not a BSS survey per-se, I suggest it is questions leading to making Smoke alarms, and having a fire 'response plan', mandatory. I've just filled it in. It is rather limited, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Lets hope they take into account trad engine rooms....an automatic fire fighting system would be a right PIA to sort for very little gain in reality.....I wonder how many narrowboats suffer from engine fires compared to other ignition sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) I 've not got my email, I assume there is not one on 'composting toilets'? 1 minute ago, LadyG said: I 've not got my email, I assume there is not one on 'composting toilets'? Fire response plan on a boat on inland waters? Get out if you can't put fire out. Edited March 15, 2021 by LadyG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, frangar said: Lets hope they take into account trad engine rooms....an automatic fire fighting system would be a right PIA to sort for very little gain in reality.....I wonder how many narrowboats suffer from engine fires compared to other ignition sources Boat insurers generally already want engine room fire extinguishers if the boat is capable of 20knts + Maybe a new high-speed NB is about to be unveiled ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted March 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, LadyG said: I 've not got my email, I assume there is not one on 'composting toilets'? What email were you expecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, LadyG said: I 've not got my email, I assume there is not one on 'composting toilets'? Fire response plan on a boat on inland waters? Get out if you can't put fire out. I suspect the fire service would modify that to just "Get out" that seems to be the advice for a house and I suspect a boat will be at least similar. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Thank goodness I sold the boat. Working up to make smoke alarms and heat detectors mandatory. Mission creep ------------ yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: What email were you expecting? The one informing her that the Police had apprehended the surveyor pretending to be Gas Safe Registered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenA Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Water mist sprinker systems in the main cabin space...... I guess they don't know what a narrowboat looks like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jerra said: I suspect the fire service would modify that to just "Get out" that seems to be the advice for a house and I suspect a boat will be at least similar. The old slogan was "Get out. Call us out. Stay out." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenA Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Oddly enough we used to have a LPG detector which sat in the cupboard unit that had the Gas fridge at one end and the cooker at the other. BSS told us it had to be removed because it was "too close" to the gas lines (it was about a metre away). 35 minutes ago, frangar said: Lets hope they take into account trad engine rooms....an automatic fire fighting system would be a right PIA to sort for very little gain in reality.....I wonder how many narrowboats suffer from engine fires compared to other ignition sources Not sure how you fit an extinguisher system under a cruiser stern either..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, StephenA said: Water mist sprinker systems in the main cabin space...... I guess they don't know what a narrowboat looks like. Water mist systems take up very little space apart from the water tank. I have overseen many of them being fitted into data centres. Pipework is tiny as are the nozzles and could easily fit between the boat roof and ceiling. Best of all they make very little mess (because they put fires out almost as soon as they start) and can safely be used on live electrical systems up to 35,000 volts. However they don't meet current BSS fire extinguisher standards because they are not very good at putting out well established fires. Edited March 15, 2021 by cuthound Mist not most & roof not food. Bluddy autocorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, cuthound said: Pipework is tiny as are the nozzles and could easily fit between the boat food and ceiling. Surely that depends on how full the cupboards are ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: Surely that depends on how full the cupboards are ? Bluddy autocorect interfering again. Not sure how it turned roof into food! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, cuthound said: Bluddy autocorect interfering again. Not sure how it turned roof into food! ? What a deckhead ... That's a boat ceiling for those who don't know - I'm not being rude but I am double-checking autocorrect! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idle Days Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 I'm surprised that they don't seem interested in carbon monoxide detectors given the boaters favourite heat source. It does seem to be a very limited survey. I imaging the water misting systems could be quite welcome during a hot summer to cool a boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Jerra said: I suspect the fire service would modify that to just "Get out" that seems to be the advice for a house and I suspect a boat will be at least similar. Probably, I was not suggesting you put yourself in danger, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Idle Days said: I'm surprised that they don't seem interested in carbon monoxide detectors given the boaters favourite heat source. That was the last update. CO detectors are now a BSS requirement, so there isn't much point asking again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idle Days Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Thanks. Not having to have one yet I'm unaware of the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Idle Days said: I'm surprised that they don't seem interested in carbon monoxide detectors given the boaters favourite heat source. It does seem to be a very limited survey. I imaging the water misting systems could be quite welcome during a hot summer to cool a boat. Presumably your BSS is about due. The requirement to have a CO detector in each living area was introduced about 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idle Days Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 I have over 3 years before I need one, plenty of time to get fully educated on its requirement by members of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 hours ago, ditchcrawler said: What email were you expecting? A survey, asking me if I had a dry type loo, what I proposed to do with it now? I might have got wrong end of the stick with this survey, I assumed the portable fire extinguishers were adequate as long as they were fixed to the wall! I did not realise they wanted to consider automatic fire extinguishers throughout the boat. I'm not sure how relevant the number of beds is, I can see that might be a knock on from the number of rooms in a house. Raises more questions than answers. Glad it's 'ethical'. I used to make up surveys in sixth form, quite easy to get two diametrically opposite opinions, Jimmy Saville was most popular DJ, also most unpopular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav and Pen Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 I don’t know the bss situation but there are portable water mist extinguishers which are claimed to be very good for electrical fires. For the European certificate we had to have for the barge only powder type were approved. A company called Safe Lincs has been involved with developing them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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