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4 minutes ago, wandering snail said:

Good news!!

 

It appears that Red diesel will be retained for :

 

......heating (and other non-propulsion uses) on permanently-moored houseboats.

 

And :

 

Government response

4.6 Following consultation, the government has decided to maintain the entitlement to use red diesel beyond April 2022 for all commercial boat operating industries, including but not limited to the fishing and inland water freight industries.

4.7 The government has therefore decided not to change the treatment of private pleasure craft in Great Britain, where they will continue to be able to use red diesel and pay their fuel supplier the difference between the red diesel rate and the white diesel rate on the proportion they intend to use for propulsion.

4.8 In Northern Ireland, private pleasure craft users will no longer be able to use red diesel for propelling their craft. This will achieve consistency with the 2018 judgment by the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) and ensure the UK meets its international obligations under the Northern Ireland Protocol of the Withdrawal Agreement. It will also align with fuel used by private pleasure craft in the Republic of Ireland, which should make it simpler for private pleasure craft users to access the fuel they need if they sail between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland (and vice versa). 

4.9 This change will take effect no later than June this year, with the specific date to be confirmed in due course. Once implemented, private pleasure craft users in Northern Ireland will have to use white diesel for propulsion instead of red diesel. This will not affect the fuel duty rate they pay on fuel used for propulsion since they are already paying the standard white diesel rate for this use of fuel.

4.10 Private pleasure craft in Northern Ireland will remain entitled to use red diesel for non-propulsion uses, such as for heating, and lighting and powering appliances such as fridges via a battery charged by an engine that uses red diesel (provided they have a separate fuel tank for this purpose). If they have only one fuel tank on board their craft, they will need to use white diesel.

4.11 To ensure that private pleasure craft users in Northern Ireland with only one fuel tank on board for propulsion and non-propulsion do not have to pay a higher rate of duty on their non-propulsion use of diesel than they would otherwise have to pay, the government will introduce a new relief scheme in Northern Ireland, effective from the date that users become obliged to use white diesel.

4.12 These private pleasure craft users will be able to self-declare the proportion of fuel they intend to use for non-propulsion when buying fuel and fuel suppliers will deduct from the sale price the duty difference on the proportion of white diesel intended for non-propulsion use. The fuel suppliers will then reclaim this deducted duty from HMRC. To save them making new declarations each time they refuel, private pleasure craft users will, as now, be able to lodge a standing declaration with any supplier where they are a regular customer.

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2 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Yeah but have we got permission from the eu? the almighty eu courts may not agree?

It might have escaped your attention but .......

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13 minutes ago, Tim Lewis said:

It might have escaped your attention but the EU have no authority to determine what fuel GB boaters use ..................

 

 

Agreed.

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Remarkable that after all the hoo-hah, private pleasure craft in England and Wales can continue to use red after all, and self-declare the proportion used for propulsion. Users in Northern Ireland will have to use white (presumably because they are still covered by EU rules), but will be able to claim a rebate on the non-propulsion portion.

What about Scotland? Is this a devolved matter?

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Just now, David Mack said:

Remarkable that after all the hoo-hah, private pleasure craft in England and Wales can continue to use red after all, and self-declare the proportion used for propulsion. Users in Northern Ireland will have to use white (presumably because they are still covered by EU rules), but will be able to claim a rebate on the non-propulsion portion.

What about Scotland? Is this a devolved matter?

It will depend on if that fishy woman gets her own way?

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1 minute ago, David Mack said:

Remarkable that after all the hoo-hah, private pleasure craft in England and Wales can continue to use red after all, and self-declare the proportion used for propulsion. Users in Northern Ireland will have to use white (presumably because they are still covered by EU rules), but will be able to claim a rebate on the non-propulsion portion.

What about Scotland? Is this a devolved matter?

 

 

4.7 The government has therefore decided not to change the treatment of private pleasure craft in Great Britain, where they will continue to be able to use red diesel and pay their fuel supplier the difference between the red diesel rate and the white diesel rate on the proportion they intend to use for propulsion.

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21 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

It will depend on if that fishy woman gets her own way?

She's in big trouble today, doubt she will be there tomorrow, relatively speaking. 

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Just now, LadyG said:

She's in big trouble today, doubt she will be there tomorrow, relatively speaking. 

I havnt seen news today but am not suprised.

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7 minutes ago, LadyG said:

She's in big trouble today, doubt she will be there tomorrow, relatively speaking. 

indeed, she's seeing red mist rather than red diesel.... :)

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2 hours ago, David Mack said:

Remarkable that after all the hoo-hah, private pleasure craft in England and Wales can continue to use red after all, and self-declare the proportion used for propulsion. Users in Northern Ireland will have to use white (presumably because they are still covered by EU rules), but will be able to claim a rebate on the non-propulsion portion.

What about Scotland? Is this a devolved matter?

 

Scotland is making every effort to remove navigation from its canals so it does not really matter 😀

 

................Dave

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4 hours ago, mrsmelly said:

I think it has much more to do with a certain vote in 2016 and being Sovereign now.

EU proposal was about harmonization between countries.  On leaving the EU it was widely expected that the UK would abandon this policy and it did.

But then the government embraced something similar (but not the same)  as a way of promoting greener propulsion and included commercial users of all kinds, not (I think) included in the EU policy,  such as railways who got their act together quickly and were excluded.  So I don't think you can blame this one on the EU!

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Won't help lumpy waters boaters, northern ireland will now be another place you cannot have red in your tanks as a visitor without risk of prosecution.

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1 minute ago, Detling said:

Won't help lumpy waters boaters, northern ireland will now be another place you cannot have red in your tanks as a visitor without risk of prosecution.

 

Well I guess that still leaves 31,000km of GB coastline (Ordnance survey figure) to investigate whilst using "Red".

 

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If they start testing visitors there will be hell to pay, it's a very popular destination for Scottish yachtsmen. Though I suppose if Scotland has to use white, it won't make much difference. I would have thought the C&E would be concerned about home based, NI boaters going to England for red, thus evading duty.

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34 minutes ago, Detling said:

Won't help lumpy waters boaters, northern ireland will now be another place you cannot have red in your tanks as a visitor without risk of prosecution.

That depends whether the authorities will  want to deter visiting boats or not.

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11 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Well I guess that still leaves 31,000km of GB coastline (Ordnance survey figure) to investigate whilst using "Red".

 

You of course realy mean 19262 miles :D

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