Boats returning from Europe

[Arthur Marshall]

2 hours ago, Phoenix_V said:

Verbal irony is a figure of speech that communicates the opposite of what is said, while sarcasm is a form of irony that is directed at a person, with the intent to criticise. The current study used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) with the aim of mapping the neural networks involved in the processing of sarcastic and non-sarcastic irony. Participants read short texts describing an interaction between two characters, which ended in either a literal, sarcastic, or non-sarcastic ironic comment. Results showed that the mentalising network (mPFC) and semantic network (IFG) were more activated for non-sarcastic irony than for literal controls. This would suggest that interpreting this kind of language involves understanding that the speaker does not mean what they literally say, as well as processes involved in conflict detection and resolution. Sarcastic irony recruited more of the semantic network, as well as areas associated with humour appreciation and subcortical structures, indicating that more complex neural mechanisms underlie the comprehension of sarcastic versus non-sarcastic irony.

Which brings back memories of linguistics lectures many, many, many years ago.

[Athy]

16 hours ago, Phoenix_V said:

“Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence.”

― Oscar Wilde

Was he serious, or was he just being sarcastic?

[Phoenix_V]

1 hour ago, Athy said:

Was he serious, or was he just being sarcastic?

maybe irony?

[IanD]

16 minutes ago, Phoenix_V said:

maybe irony?

Or maybe we should nail someone's head to the floor instead? It worked for the Piranha Brothers... ?

[Phoenix_V]

2 hours ago, IanD said:

Or maybe we should nail someone's head to the floor instead? It worked for the Piranha Brothers... ?

I hope that is ironic and not sarcastic

[IanD]

2 hours ago, Phoenix_V said:

I hope that is ironic and not sarcastic

Could be worse...

 

Vercotti: He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, pathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious.

[LadyG]

On 28/02/2021 at 10:35, markeymark said:

Pretty sure I read in another thread that we will have to pay duty on red from 2022 in the UK...or red for boats will be replaced with white....Alan may know the answer to that one.

I think we all knew that the Hunt for Red Diesel qualifies as a Classic .....

[Alan de Enfield]

3 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I think we all knew that the Hunt for Red Diesel qualifies as a Classic .....

 

I think you may mean Vin Diesel ?

 

[TheBiscuits]

35 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

I think you may mean Vin Diesel ?

 

 

Nah, van diesel should be white.  Red is illegal in road vehicles ...

[Alan de Enfield]

1 hour ago, TheBiscuits said:

Nah, van diesel should be white. 

 

Stop being a racist - he is white look at the picture !

[mrsmelly]

On 28/02/2021 at 10:35, markeymark said:

Pretty sure I read in another thread that we will have to pay duty on red from 2022 in the UK...or red for boats will be replaced with white....Alan may know the answer to that one.

But then again ?

[Phoenix_V]

 

At last a brexit benefit  shame about Mrsmelly being all electric

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/966132/Summary_of_responses_to_the_red_diesel_consultation.pdf

 

Government response 4.6Following consultation, the government has decided to maintain the entitlement to use red diesel beyond April 2022 for all commercial boat operating industries, including but not limited to the fishing and inland water freight industries. 4.7The government has therefore decided not to change the treatment of private pleasure craft in Great Britain, where they will continue to be able to use red diesel and pay their fuel supplier the difference between the red diesel rate and the white dieselrateon the proportion they intend to use for propulsion

Edited March 3, 2021 by Phoenix_V

[Tam & Di]

To return to the topic for a moment  ?‍♂️  RYA have just announced that HMRC has extended the period where all goods (including boats) returning to the EU will benefit from Returned Goods Relief by 6 months to 30th June 2022.

 

Tam

Edited March 26, 2021 by Tam & Di

[Alan de Enfield]

 

It cannot be said that they are being unreasonable.

Surely an18 month extension (after the deadline) is more than suffcient for anyone to arrange to get their boat back, or sell it, or make other arrangements.

[mrsmelly]

2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

It cannot be said that they are being unreasonable.

Surely an18 month extension (after the deadline) is more than suffcient for anyone to arrange to get their boat back, or sell it, or make other arrangements.

Or,  SIX YEARS after a certain vote!!

[Alan de Enfield]

1 minute ago, mrsmelly said:

Or,  SIX YEARS after a certain vote!!

 

 

But, to be fair, the charging of VAT on returning boats was not known at the time of the vote.

[Tam & Di]

You won't give over will you! That would only be true if it was said back then that vessels returning to the UK would have to pay a second dose of VAT. Also COVID rules don't even allow anyone to leave the UK to get to their boat, no matter how keen they are to do so.

 

Tam

[Arthur Marshall]

15 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

 

But, to be fair, the charging of VAT on returning boats was not known at the time of the vote.

To be fair, nothing factual was known at the time of the vote as no studies or assessments had been made (or, in truth have ever been made) as to what any consequences of the vote might be, simply because it never crossed anyone's mind (apart from that of the great British public) that the vote would be for leaving. The fact that the GBP didn't care that no-one, including them, had a clue what might happen never crossed anyone's mind either. 

[Alan de Enfield]

21 minutes ago, Tam & Di said:

You won't give over will you! That would only be true if it was said back then that vessels returning to the UK would have to pay a second dose of VAT. Also COVID rules don't even allow anyone to leave the UK to get to their boat, no matter how keen they are to do so.

 

Tam

 

 

 

2020 International travel was allowed from July 3rd (without quarantine on return)  until Oct 31st

 

July 3: A list of 73 countries and territories where English tourists can visit without self-isolating on their return is published, including popular short-haul destinations such as Spain, France and Italy.

 

 

October 31: The UK exceeds one million lab-confirmed cases of coronavirus since the start of the outbreak, according to Government data.

Meanwhile, Mr Johnson announces that people in England will be told to stay at home for four weeks as the country is placed under another national lockdown, with the closure of hospitality and non-essential shops.

 

As a result of the RYA’s lobbying a one-year transitional arrangement was legislated. This provides those owners who have been in the UK with their boat previously, but not within the three years prior to the date of import, the opportunity to return to the UK in 2021, provided the boat was lying in the EU27 at the end of the transition period and the other RGR eligibility conditions are met. 

The one-year transitional arrangement is clearly a step in the right direction, the ongoing travel restrictions may limit the ability of recreational boat owners to return to the UK, if necessary, before the end of 2021. 

 

This has now been extended by a further 6 months.

[Higgs]

22 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

To be fair, 

 

Your vote was counted. 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Higgs

[Arthur Marshall]

37 minutes ago, Higgs said:

 

Your vote was counted. 

 

 

So? You seem to be the one nervy about it.

[Higgs]

13 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

So? You seem to be the one nervy about it.

 

What's to be nervous about? You were treated the same way as everyone else. 

 

 

 

 

[Bee]

1 hour ago, mrsmelly said:

Or,  SIX YEARS after a certain vote!!

SIX YEARS after that vote the Tories are still finding out things they didn't understand and HMRC are still working out what the hell to do about it. I was receiving conflicting info from HMRC late last year and it looks like its just been extended because of it.  This wretched ERG led government had no b***** idea what they were doing and most of them plus most brexiteers still have no idea.

[Jerra]

Point of order M'lud.   Am I the only one without a time machine?   I voted in a referendum on the 23rd June 2016 which by my calendar makes it 4 years nine months.

 

Was there an earlier referendum I missed?

[blackrose]

On 27/02/2021 at 16:25, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Are you suggesting that the requirements for taking a boat from the UK into the EU are more onerous than bringing a boat into the EU from any other non-EU country ?

 

No, the boat isn't the main issue. I'm suggesting that taking myself into the EU from the UK for an extended period is going to be much trickier than doing the same thing had the UK still been an EU country, and that makes retiring on the European waterways very difficult.