ulises Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 Hi, I'm recently bought an 1957 Austin fx3 taxi, I'm located in West Chicago Illinois, USA. I bought the car 2 months ago, was in a heated storage for 20 years without starting the engine. I replaced fuel filter, oil filter, oil and fuel, and bleeding the air from the lines and pump, my question is why I'm getting only fuel coming out from the inlet line on one injector ONLY, and nothing on the other three inlets lines, could be something inside the inyección fuel pump? Or something related with the timing on the pump? Any other advices? Any information will be very helpful, thank you. Car has a BMC 4 cylinder diesel 2.2 bmc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 Which pump? four element inline or a mechanically governed DPA? at 1957 I suspect its an inline one with the injector pipes coming from the top in a line rather from the end in a circle. If its a DPA I would say its imposable but if its an inline pump its possible three pump elements have stuck in the up position, possibly stored with water in the fuel of the fuel has altered in storage and gummed the elements up so the springs can't push them down. I think there is a rectangular cover on the side of the body of the pump held on with two screws, take that off and see what the mechanism is doing, you should see three element stuck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy D'arth Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 Send us a picture of the injection pump. Whatever it is it won't be a huge problem, these engines are as reliable as taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 Also definitely not pump timing. If you aren't conversant with the operation of diesel fuel system this may help explain things http://www.tb-training.co.uk/CIsys.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb Innisfree Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Tracy D'arth said: Send us a picture of the injection pump. Whatever it is it won't be a huge problem, these engines are as reliable as taxes. Indisputably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulises Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 On 01/01/2021 at 01:45, Tony Brooks said: Which pump? four element inline or a mechanically governed DPA? at 1957 I suspect its an inline one with the injector pipes coming from the top in a line rather from the end in a circle. If its a DPA I would say its imposable but if its an inline pump its possible three pump elements have stuck in the up position, possibly stored with water in the fuel of the fuel has altered in storage and gummed the elements up so the springs can't push them down. I think there is a rectangular cover on the side of the body of the pump held on with two screws, take that off and see what the mechanism is doing, you should see three element stuck up. Thanks Tony!!, You were right!, I opened the rectangular cover, found three spring elements were stuck or compressed, I used a screwdriver to pushed down, made a pop sound and came back to the right position!!, One of them took me several times to get it decompress, then opened the switch, pushed the heaters button for ten seconds, pulled the starter lever and started right up!!, first start after 20 years! I have the car running for several days,it makes a lot of smoke, I planning to replace injectors,my question is I have been trying to get new injectors with no success, there's only one place on eBay but they don't send to United States, do you know any place that I can get new or rebuilt injectors for this engine? Any help will be really appreciated, thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Is it an FX3? My first car, many years ago, was the next model, a 1960 FX4, with four doors instead of three! Calcutt Boats Ltd. specialise in BMC engines, have many parts in stock, and sell on line. Whether they will ship to your part of the world I don't know, but give tham a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy D'arth Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 A diesel shop should have no problem reconditioning and setting the injectors, they will be pintaux type I think with the auxiliary hole at the side of the nozzle. ASAP Supplies will have stock. Otherwise post them to the UK, there are loads of people who can overhaul them, and ship them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 @ulises I very much doubt Calcutt will have any early or later 2.2 parts in stock unless they also fit a 1.5 and apart from possibly the lift pump can't think of any. Also be aware that the inline pump version has a weak spot in the block casting located behind the injector pump, its prone to crack before a core plug pops if the coolant freezes so make sure you always have antifreeze in it. We had our blocks repaired by a metal stitching company rather than welding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quattrodave Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 https://www.cambsinjectorservice.co.uk/ these guys did my 2.2 injectors a few months back. Drop them a line, very helpful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 47 minutes ago, Quattrodave said: https://www.cambsinjectorservice.co.uk/ these guys did my 2.2 injectors a few months back. Drop them a line, very helpful... I think the OP is in the USA so probably not much help giving him links to UK companies for things like injection equipment overhaul. Probably very useful if he needs spares sent to the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quattrodave Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 45 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said: I think the OP is in the USA so probably not much help giving him links to UK companies for things like injection equipment overhaul. Probably very useful if he needs spares sent to the US Yeah I know, I've sent and received many items to and from the US. I figured the injectors are small and light and if somewhere was needed I could recommend the company that did it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulises Posted January 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 12 hours ago, Athy said: Is it an FX3? My first car, many years ago, was the next model, a 1960 FX4, with four doors instead of three! Calcutt Boats Ltd. specialise in BMC engines, have many parts in stock, and sell on line. Whether they will ship to your part of the world I don't know, but give tham a try. Hi Kathy, yes it's an fx3, bought the car two months ago in Peoria Illinois, it was in antique store as a floor show car for over 20 years, it's a three door, I would like to convert it to for door, do you have any ideas of this can be possible? Or have you ever seen an fx3 converted to four door? If so do you know a place that I can get the door?, Any information will be appreciated, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Anything is possible as long as you throw sufficient money at it. I can't see a new or even second hand door being available for such a low production volume vehicle with the four door option being built in even lower numbers. Its over 50 years old. I am sure a decent vehicle restorer could hand make one but then you would be looking for matching door lock handle and that may have to be hand made as well but you are more likely to find one. Being US based makes it all far more difficult. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 As Tony says: if you've got enough money you can get anything made! The FX3 was built in fairly substantial numbers: over 12,000. There WAS a four-door variant, the FL1 (see picture below) but I'd guess that only a few hundred were made. But the appeal of your car is that it's an authentic London taxi. It's black (as by law all London taxis had to be until many years later), it worked in London (the "LH" in your number plate shows that it was first registered in London when new) and it's got three doors. Why change it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEngo Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Since the injection pump elements were stuck, I would want the pump looked at at the same time to ensure that the stuck was not caused by rust. This is a CAV BPE type pump. Parts are available, apart from camshafts. The OP is recommended to change the oil in the pump if not already done, and check the level regularly. This version does not appear to have the dipstick fitted, but there is a level plug on the front. The drain plug is on the back. The pump is filled with engine oil, but any element fuel leaks tend to end up in the cam box, causing rising oil level. N 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulises Posted January 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Hi Bengo, I have included a picture of the pump, can you point where are those plugs? Also I marked two screws with a small drain pipe, do you know if those are for purging the air on the pump? I only could get fuel from the top screw but nothing on the bottom screw, even that the car started right up. At least, the car is making a lot of smoke, do you think will be good to replace the injectors? They are probably 50 years old, any help will be appreciated, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 The top screw is the pump bleed point. I am 85% sure the bolt is the drain so if the cam chamber gets full of fuel you ca drain it out to refill with engine oil. I thought you just poured a fixed amount of oil into the exposed chamber so it ran down the holes you can just see part of into the cam chamber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEngo Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) The hexagonal thing labelled 'bolt' is the cambox oil level plug. The item labelled "screw" is the fuel chamber air vent. The small diameter curly pipe from the level plug banjo is an air vent. Check it is clear by blowing it or poke a (tobacco) pipe-cleaner through it. The oil drain plug is on the rear side of the casing out of the picture. After draining the oil and refitting the drain plug, remove level plug and squirt oil into the level plug hole until oil starts to run out. Refit level plug. I would take the injectors to a good diesel shop and get them cleaned and thd cracking pressure reset on a pop tester. After much standing the springs may have relaxed and be injecting at too low a pressure. If they are a real good diesel shop they should also be able to check the pump over. You may need to take advice from one of the US old iron forums over where there is a good diesel shop near you. The generic manual for the pump is on the internet. Probably on the late Peter Forbes website. Google "CAV BPE pump handbook" N Edit: it is on Mike Skyners website http://www.sky-net.org.uk/kelvin/tech_info/cav/bpe_pump/index.html N Further edit: If you are happy that all is well mechanically, and you are feeling brave, you could take the car out to the freeway and give it a good Italian Tune Up. That might clear the smoking. N Edited January 31, 2021 by BEngo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulises Posted August 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 I got finally make it run, the springs in the pump were stuck. Now the problem is I need a new diesel lift pump, the one that was originally I got the fuel line inlet thread messed up trying to replace a fuel line, any advices of part number or where can I get it will be really appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy D'arth Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 Your arm is broken too! Its a fairly stock AC pump, will the 1.5D or 1.8D pump do the job? ASAP should have stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said: Your arm is broken too! Its a fairly stock AC pump, will the 1.5D or 1.8D pump do the job? ASAP should have stock I am sure they will, but he may have to twist the body on the base. Even if the arm that goes inside the engine is different, I think the body will fit the OP's base. The only problem may be there now seem to be a number of different designs about. I think I would try a proper (not Halfords) motor factors first, probably cheaper there if available. If all else fails, fit an electric one and blank the hole in the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy D'arth Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 Land-Rover spares places will have loads of AC types. Forget the likes of Halfords. Try Land Ranger in Middlewich Cheshire. Or buy the magazine for all the guys selling LR parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEngo Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 Don't forget the OP is stateside. Land Rover spares specialists are scarce over there but probably less so than early BMC 2.2 spares stockists 😯 N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, BEngo said: Don't forget the OP is stateside. Land Rover spares specialists are scarce over there but probably less so than early BMC 2.2 spares stockists 😯 N Then ts a prime candidate for an electric pump, I am sure Facit are an international company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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