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2 minutes ago, peterboat said:

People are screaming blue murder about it Jen, I overheard a conversation in the DP, all they could complain about was the cycle lanes and the proposed emissions rules for Sheffield. One of Richard's customers has paid to keep a pollution meter at his pub, he monitors it and sends in the results, the only time its had legal readings was in the full lockdown, which shows how crap the air quality is in Sheffield centre 

Someone in a car complaining about being caught in congestion, supposedly caused by bikes passing in a free flowing adjacent cycle lane shows a staggering lack of self awareness! Sheffield's air quality is bad. Not Dehli, or Beijing levels fortunately. Not helped by a lot of it being in valleys between high hills. During lock down 1 I could feel the improvement. All gone now.

 

The air quality in the pub might be improved if he stopped selling pickled eggs! Could be worth suggesting...

 

Jen

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23 minutes ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

Someone in a car complaining about being caught in congestion, supposedly caused by bikes passing in a free flowing adjacent cycle lane shows a staggering lack of self awareness! Sheffield's air quality is bad. Not Dehli, or Beijing levels fortunately. Not helped by a lot of it being in valleys between high hills. During lock down 1 I could feel the improvement. All gone now.

 

The air quality in the pub might be improved if he stopped selling pickled eggs! Could be worth suggesting...

 

Jen

I feel I need to report this post!! Whilst in general the thread has been light hearted about trivia such as cars it has now become serious to the point of even a suggestion of the removal of pickled eggs from pubs and that's too serious a matter for a canal forum!!  ?

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6 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

I feel I need to report this post!! Whilst in general the thread has been light hearted about trivia such as cars it has now become serious to the point of even a suggestion of the removal of pickled eggs from pubs and that's too serious a matter for a canal forum!!  ?

My most profound apologies to all CWDF members who were offended by my crass and unthinking slur on the great pickled egg. Not just a great pub snack, but now a substantial pub meal for those lucky tier 2 people. I will go sit on the naughty step and think about what I've done.

Jen

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1 minute ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

My most profound apologies to all CWDF members who were offended by my crass and unthinking slur on the great pickled egg. Not just a great pub snack, but now a substantial pub meal for those lucky tier 2 people. I will go sit on the naughty step and think about what I've done.

Jen

One of my daughters is a tier one person and rubbing our noses in it at the moment living nearly a real life again. They had a family DRINK at a pub last night for one of our grandsons birthdays!! 

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9 minutes ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

My most profound apologies to all CWDF members who were offended by my crass and unthinking slur on the great pickled egg. Not just a great pub snack, but now a substantial pub meal for those lucky tier 2 people. I will go sit on the naughty step and think about what I've done.

Jen

I believe you are spreading fake news.

 

An egg is not a substantial meal until it has a sausage meat coating.

 

A pickled egg alone (or even with a bag of C&O crisps) could result in a fine and criminal record.

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2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

I believe you are spreading fake news.

 

An egg is not a substantial meal until it has a sausage meat coating.

 

A pickled egg alone (or even with a bag of C&O crisps) could result in a fine and criminal record.

George Useless has said it, so it must be so. The sausage meat is the key. A bit of pickling vinegar does not make it a substantial meal. All academic to me in tier 3.

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Going back to something dangerously close to on-topic - Porche's e-fuel - I suspect this may prove to be the way forward for boats (in a hybrid/generator context) and perhaps some classic cars, but will prove too expensive to produce for day to day large scale road use - especially given how cheap wind power is getting these days.

 

Regarding change of use of streets - it never ceases to amaze me that people are building new developments with deliberately limited numbers of parking spaces to encourage people to have fewer cars by making it difficult to park them. Why not accept that people will have cars, embrace and extend this, build the houses one story higher and tuck the cars away underneath when they're not in use? There's plenty of space vertically last time I looked....

 

Same goes for non-residential urban planning. There's more than one place I've been to in France that has a nice park in the middle of the town, that just happens to have a multi-storey car park buried underneath. Also very interesting what the Boring Company is doing - tunnels for self-driving electric cars in urban environments. Maybe we don't need to rid out towns and cities of cars altogether, just hide them away underground, and let the computers and tunnels get rid of all the traffic 

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38 minutes ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

My most profound apologies to all CWDF members who were offended by my crass and unthinking slur on the great pickled egg. Not just a great pub snack, but now a substantial pub meal for those lucky tier 2 people. I will go sit on the naughty step and think about what I've done.

Jen

I have your back here, who in their right minds consider picked eggs actually edible 

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28 minutes ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

George Useless has said it, so it must be so. The sausage meat is the key. A bit of pickling vinegar does not make it a substantial meal. All academic to me in tier 3.

Now we are talking scotch eggs yummy 

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23 hours ago, The Happy Nomad said:

This video is worth a watch as it gives a reasonable overview of range and what actually happens when they run out of charge.

 

 

Yes, I watched that video. Is not a hand held radio the same as a mobile phone when it comes to the law?

As for high mileage cars, electric or internal combustion, the record of 3 million miles +, was achieved by a privately owned 1966 Volvo P1800 in 2013 in the US (Guinness Book of Records) . My highest ever mileage was 168k in a 1989 Volvo 740. Passed onto someone else it caught fire due to metal fatigue (yes) soon after. The ICE was still perfect.   

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4 minutes ago, Slim said:

Yes, I watched that video. Is not a hand held radio the same as a mobile phone when it comes to the law?

No I don't believe it is.

 

The caveat being that if it is shown that using it causes you to be distracted and thus affect your driving you could be prosecuted. But it isn't a specific offence like using a mobile phone is.

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14 hours ago, Cheshire cat said:

They're going to need a hell of a lot of algae!

 

 

 

 

 

Sources include lakes, ponds, bogs, sea, any 'wet areas'.

It can even be cheaply farmed.

The 'problem' is in the electricity needed to produce it - the plan is to use surplus wind generated leccy, where currently the generators are paud to be tuned off when the 'leccy is not needed (ie overnight)

 

Various alternative production methods from 'DIY' to huge commercial operations

 

Grow your own diesel: Is the future algae driven? | Brunel University London

LumoFuel is a washing machine sized household ‘bioreactor’ which uses algae to turn CO2 and sunlight into a usable diesel that promises to not only work in existing cars, but also be carbon-negative.

“Algae has been experimented with for over 20 years as a way to produce biofuels and power,” said Wilson, who designed LumoFuel as part of his Industrial Design and Technology degree at Brunel University London.

“The biggest hang up though has been scaling it up – you’d have really good low-scale, high-yield laboratory experiments, but the moment you try commercialising it, growing algae in big waterways, you’d end up needing to put more energy in than you get out. It becomes like a perpetual motion machine.”

Wilson’s solution is not to scale things up, but to scale them down.

LumoFuel will use a species of quick-growing algae called Nannochloropsis Oculata that photosynthesises CO2 and light into oxygen and energy, which the algae stores as fats – or lipids, to use the technical term.  The device works in day-long cycles, harvesting and processing half of its colony of algae in the system, with the remainder then taking approximately 24 hours to double its biomass back to full density, ready for the next cycle.

The algae is harvested using an internal centrifuge, which separates it from the fluid it’s grown in before the energy dense lipids are extracted from the cells and combined with methanol and sodium hydroxide – an alcohol and a catalyst – to produce a biodiesel that can be pumped directly into an unaltered diesel vehicle, or used for applications like heating and cooking.

 

 

From ponds to power: $2M to perfect algae as diesel fuel | University of Michigan News (umich.edu)

 

The Department of Energy has said algae holds the potential to produce billions of gallons per year of renewable diesel, gasoline and jet fuels. And that contribution could prove crucial to meeting Renewable Fuel Standards.

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21 minutes ago, Slim said:

Yes, I watched that video. Is not a hand held radio the same as a mobile phone when it comes to the law?

As for high mileage cars, electric or internal combustion, the record of 3 million miles +, was achieved by a privately owned 1966 Volvo P1800 in 2013 in the US (Guinness Book of Records) . My highest ever mileage was 168k in a 1989 Volvo 740. Passed onto someone else it caught fire due to metal fatigue (yes) soon after. The ICE was still perfect.   

8 years and half a million miles for a Tesla so give it a few years and it might catch up!

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28 minutes ago, The Happy Nomad said:

No I don't believe it is.

 

The caveat being that if it is shown that using it causes you to be distracted and thus affect your driving you could be prosecuted. But it isn't a specific offence like using a mobile phone is.

The law is (unfortunately) quite specific about cellular functionality. So while I can (IMHO quite rightly) be directly fined for using a mobile phone at the wheel, using an amateur radio etc has to be shown to be distracting.

 

The 999 services get hit a double whammy as their Airwave (and now ESN) handsets can use cellular functionality so an ambulance driver using his Airwave handheld is still committing an offence even if it's not actually in cellular mode.

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In  2002 I bought a 1986 Volvo 340 DL from one of my customers for £100. We decided to retire from the motor trade. I sold my van and L/Rovers. Pulled the old Volvo out, fettled it up and drove it until August this year when it broke down, sheered the splines on the front propshaft and drive stub, not worth repairing, got £50 from the breakers for it. I did about 70,000 miles in it. So it only really cost me £50. It worked hard carring all my winter coal, gas bottles toilet cassette, plus long runs to relations never let me down until last August. I now have a Suzuki Alto sx 30,000 miles, 70 mpg, road tax exempt, goes like a bomb the vendor said though I didn't really want a bomb. Brilliant little car, turning circle like a taxi, small, short, park it in small gaps between the horrid great brute cars, and will carry my coal, gas bottles and cassette without folding the rear seats down.

  It's the basic model. made in Delhi India and they love em. Very simple to maintain myself. The only up do date gear on it is a Wireless CD player, power steering, ABS and electric windows, fag lighter socket but no bloomin ashtray.

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2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

I presume you haven't read all of the thread I posted that picture 80 odd posts ago (last week)

Ahh, the hazard of replying to a post when you see it, without realising that there are 3 more pages of posts, and the discussion has now moved on considerably from the particular point you were replying to...

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3 hours ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

 

A long while ago I saw a TV clip of a group of people walking around wearing car sized cardboard rectangles. It really gave you an appreciation of how much space they took. When they were car sized, not car shaped they drew the eye in the way that the familiar car shapes do not.

 

Or how much space car parking takes up compared with cycle parking.

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And the point was well made as long ago as 1965 by London Transport

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I remember that LT advert. Fine when you live in London or other large cities, but many do not. My recollection is that late night train and bus services got drastically pruned in the run-up to privatisation to make franchises more attractive to bidders. In the 1970's, when I was living in outer London, there was a night bus every 15 mins to Victoria. When I moved further out in the early 1980's there was an all-night train service between Liverpool Street and Essex. Liverpool Street station only used to close on Christmas Day.  In the pre-privatisation era, the all-night (mostly hourly) service ceased, and there was now a last train back to Brentwood departing at 1.45AM, subsequently cut to leave the 12.55 AM. I used to make regular use of the night trains, which were always well-patronised at weekends, and the car got left at home. Attending late night events in London these days means taking your car or hiring an expensive cab to get back home. If the authorities were really serious about reducing private car use, they would need to restore the sort of effective public transport system that still used to exist in the 1970's. 

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3 hours ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

My most profound apologies to all CWDF members who were offended by my crass and unthinking slur on the great pickled egg. Not just a great pub snack, but now a substantial pub meal for those lucky tier 2 people. I will go sit on the naughty step and think about what I've done.

Jen

what?  2 people sharing a pickled egg as a substantial meal are considered to be lucky?

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1 minute ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

Very lucky, 'cause they are able to go to a pub for drinks.

I am able to get a drink at home, in a comfortable and private environment where there are no interruptions from eejits, no need to spend half the evening trying to get the attention of a waitress/barman. and where I can use the toilet without standing in a queue, for 25% of the cost. 

 

I am the lucky one.  B)

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2 hours ago, Slim said:

Yes, I watched that video. Is not a hand held radio the same as a mobile phone when it comes to the law?

As for high mileage cars, electric or internal combustion, the record of 3 million miles +, was achieved by a privately owned 1966 Volvo P1800 in 2013 in the US (Guinness Book of Records) . My highest ever mileage was 168k in a 1989 Volvo 740. Passed onto someone else it caught fire due to metal fatigue (yes) soon after. The ICE was still perfect.   

you should try running a Toyota. 

in my experience on overseas postings they are the vehicle of choice, especially Land Cruisers and Hiluxes.   168K ?  just about run in. 

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