Jump to content
Strawberry Orange Banana Lime Leaf Slate Sky Blueberry Grape Watermelon Chocolate Marble
Strawberry Orange Banana Lime Leaf Slate Sky Blueberry Grape Watermelon Chocolate Marble
Tim Lewis

Cotswolds Canals Lottery win

Featured Posts

This is excellent news.

Quote

It also estimated an additional £5.5m per year would be spent in the local economy

I'd say it would also support economies beyond the Stroud region, seeing that the presently-isolated canal will be connected to the main network. What about health benefits beyond simple visitor footfall as well? All those trees being planted has a much wider implication.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Wow.  Some good news for a change.  Really looking forward to exploring somewhere new.

 

I hope that it learns from Droitwich and makes sure there are lots of places to tie up securely.

Edited by doratheexplorer

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Very good news, I must go and have another look at the works to bypass the A38 that have been happening.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, doratheexplorer said:

In light of the electric boating thread, wouldn't it be amazing if the works included the installation of towpath electric charging points?

There'll be hundreds of folk eating their hats in 2023 already if the canal opens - if electric points turn up too, I'll be adding to the total! :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I doubt CRT will take it over (assuming it is offered) in which case a licence will have to be bought.  My guess is £25 for a week.  I shall start saving 😃.
Should be an interesting trip.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, system 4-50 said:

How on earth do you report something like this without showing a map!

I just put    -  canal route from stroud to saul junction    Into google

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Chewbacka said:

I doubt CRT will take it over (assuming it is offered) in which case a licence will have to be bought.  My guess is £25 for a week.  I shall start saving 😃.
Should be an interesting trip.

Yes and probably strict controls on moorings. None of that cc ing nonsense. £25 seems rather cheap for a week. 

 

 

Edited by magnetman

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Chewbacka said:

I doubt CRT will take it over (assuming it is offered) in which case a licence will have to be bought.  My guess is £25 for a week.  I shall start saving 😃.
Should be an interesting trip.

I would be surprised if it is anything like this cheap considering that considering that the Basingstoke canal is £43 for a week the Avon £50 and the Wey up to £91!

 

Tim

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, Tim Lewis said:

I would be surprised if it is anything like this cheap considering that considering that the Basingstoke canal is £43 for a week the Avon £50 and the Wey up to £91!

 

Tim

The Droitwich Canal Society didn't do that when they completed their very successful restoration..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Sea Dog said:

The Droitwich Canal Society didn't do that when they completed their very successful restoration..

The Droitwich Canals Trust didn’t directly restore the Droitwich Canals single handedly. It was one of the bodies that formed the Droitwich Canals Restoration Partnership. British Waterways were another, as were local councils. I suspect the Cotswold Canals have similar arrangements.
 

Personally I’d be surprised if CRT weren’t obliged to take on the restored navigation.

 

JP

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Captain Pegg said:

Personally I’d be surprised if CRT weren’t obliged to take on the restored navigation.

BW where part of the original partnership but pulled out.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

CRT do seem to have a stake in this, from the Corwolds Canal Trust website

 

Quote

Major funders for the project are The National Lottery Heritage Fund, Stroud District Council (£2.3m), Cotswold Canals Trust’s members and donors’ contributions (£2.2m), Gloucestershire County Council (£700,000) and the Canal & River Trust (£625,000). Cotswold Canals Trust will continue to fundraise for the remaining £1.2 million needed.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Captain Pegg said:

The Droitwich Canals Trust didn’t directly restore the Droitwich Canals single handedly. It was one of the bodies that formed the Droitwich Canals Restoration Partnership. British Waterways were another, as were local councils. I suspect the Cotswold Canals have similar arrangements.
 

Personally I’d be surprised if CRT weren’t obliged to take on the restored navigation.

 

JP

But for CRT there is no revenue from these few miles of cotswold canal but there will be ongoing costs - dredging, lock repairs etc.  I predict they will not want it unless it comes with a big bucket of cash.  Not sure they can be forced to take it.  Didn’t the council that ‘owns’ the Basingstoke canal try to get BW to take it on some years ago, but they declined.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Captain Pegg said:

The Droitwich Canals Trust didn’t directly restore the Droitwich Canals single handedly. It was one of the bodies that formed the Droitwich Canals Restoration Partnership. British Waterways were another, as were local councils. I suspect the Cotswold Canals have similar arrangements.
 

Personally I’d be surprised if CRT weren’t obliged to take on the restored navigation.

 

JP

The Droitwich Canals Trust restored all the "easy" bits themselves, but came up against something of a brick wall with the major jobs - M5 and A449 in particular,and progress more or less ground to a halt.

BW were then in expansive mode and reflecting on the glories of the Millennium funded projects, and agreed to get involved. There's no doubt their input kick started the project again and got it completed.

But now CRT have much less money, and I can't see them taking on liabilities for additional waterways unless there is some guaranteed long term additional funding.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I was thinking a dead end canal of 7 miles in length and 12 locks on the fringes of the system makes a lot more sense as an integral part of a wider system rather than a stand alone entity. Politically I was thinking CRT may not ultimately have the ability to say ‘no’ even if they wanted to. It’s not a good message to send to their paymasters given they were set up for that very purpose.

 

JP

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, buccaneer66 said:

BW where part of the original partnership but pulled out.

Back in 2008. Didn't think it was that long ago. Getting old...

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 17/10/2020 at 15:10, buccaneer66 said:

BW where part of the original partnership but pulled out.

That's true, a real kick in the whatsits at the time

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

CRT is one of only four "core partners" to the HLF bid (the others being CCT, Stroud DC and Gloucestershire CC). I think you can therefore take it as read that they intend to be involved with the ongoing management of the canal.

 

What sums of money change hands behind the scenes to enable this is another question, but I would expect that the HLF grant comes with a condition that the canal will be open to navigation x% of the time for the next y years. So in theory the first few years' maintenance should be "baked in" to the project cost and/or the partners' budgets already. But @magpie patrick will know much more than me about this sort of thing.

Edited by Richard Fairhurst

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Richard Fairhurst said:

CRT is one of only four "core partners" to the HLF bid (the others being CCT, Stroud DC and Gloucestershire CC). I think you can therefore take it as read that they intend to be involved with the ongoing management of the canal.

 

What sums of money change hands behind the scenes to enable this is another question, but I would expect that the HLF grant comes with a condition that the canal will be open to navigation x% of the time for the next y years. So in theory the first few years' maintenance should be "baked in" to the project cost already. But @magpie patrick will know much more than me about this sort of thing.

For phase 1a it was 80 years - 30 is more typical but HLF were funding land purchase. 

 

There is a general condition relating to maintained in a navigable order but there was no specific % of time available, although there are conditions along the lines of "best endeavours" - as monitoring falls back fairly quickly it is basically dependent upon NLHF (as they are now) receiving a report that all is not well. Bear in mind the potential penalty is to repay ALL the money (unlikely, but possible) which tends to focus the mind a bit.

 

Any bid for this sort of project will include a costed plan as to how the canal will be kept open afterwards, so for example lock gate replacement might be costed in at 25 year intervals, dredging at ten. On phase 1a I persistently (but not always effectively) pleaded with them not to skimp dredging as all they would end up doing would be dredging again sooner rather than later

 

 

On 17/10/2020 at 15:10, buccaneer66 said:

BW where part of the original partnership but pulled out.

They were, but there is a back story to this and in 2025 I might tell it

On 17/10/2020 at 15:27, john6767 said:

CRT do seem to have a stake in this, from the Corwolds Canal Trust website

 

 

It does join a CRT waterway, and from memory it IS a CRT waterway as far as Whitminster lock!

On 17/10/2020 at 13:50, Captain Pegg said:

 

Personally I’d be surprised if CRT weren’t obliged to take on the restored navigation.

 

JP

They are certainly not obliged to, and last time I spoke to the trust that wasn't the plan. Stroud Valley Canals Company will run it, the already run the restored length from Stonehouse to Bowbridge

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Following progress in "The Trow" magazine, much time and money has been invested in dredgers,mud boats and other plant. All lock keeping and lengthsmen and women aree vollunteers. The whole project has the look of a well run operation. If the canal is run like Heritage Railway groups,then supporters will support projects on a one off basis,ie set up a fund to replace a set off lock gates. The project does not end when restoration is complete.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   1 member

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.