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Seee https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/environment-agency-drafts-enforcement-team-19064632

 

These are the same people who handled the Tesco Reading site, so it will be interesting to see if they are as effective here.  And if they are, it may of course just move the problem elsewhere (again!)

 

Good to see that 24 hours moorings will still generally be free, even if some new charges for longer stays will now apply.

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The problem is along a lot of the riverbank there is no clear title. EA do not own most of the riverbank even along the towpath side  which is a permissive path over private land. A lot the land has no clear title so they might be able to move them  on from EA land eventually but they haven't yet from above and below Sunbury Lock.

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EA have contracted out the management of its own moorings to District Enforcement for an undisclosed sum.

DE have set up an online system for collecting fees - which IMO is quite dire ( the moorings are badly described and some are inaccurate). You can ring them up, but I suspect the service will be slow.

You must register your arrival and departure even if taking the advantage of the free overnight slot.

 

There aren't many moorings owned by EA and I for one would prefer walking up to the lock office to register - it makes for a better contact between EA staff and the boater. The former being local residents are a mine of information, not only about the River but local facilities as well. To cut that off is a mistake and de-personalises the job.   

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1 hour ago, Mike Adams said:

The problem is along a lot of the riverbank there is no clear title. EA do not own most of the riverbank even along the towpath side  which is a permissive path over private land. A lot the land has no clear title so they might be able to move them  on from EA land eventually but they haven't yet from above and below Sunbury Lock.

Just to note the towpath in the area including on Desborough Island is not permissive but a public right of way.

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3 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I'm not sure what  a permissive is.

iI assume a roght of way, applies to walkers?

A permissive right of way is a footpath over private land that the landowner gives you permission to use. You have no right to use it and even if you walked it every day for 20 years you couldn't claim it as a right of way.

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11 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

A permissive right of way is a footpath over private land that the landowner gives you permission to use. You have no right to use it and even if you walked it every day for 20 years you couldn't claim it as a right of way.

 

There must be a notice at each point where you can join the permissive foot path stating that this is a permissive footpath - the ones around us are put up by the council once the land owner has agreed they can be used.

Example :

 

File:Permissive footpath by the River Slea - geograph.org.uk - 782035.jpg -  Wikimedia Commons

 

 

It can also be closed without notice (for shoot days etc).

Simply putting a notice at each 'end' of the permissive, (and at any joining points) is suffcient to close it.

 

Typically

 

Temporary footpath closures - The Heart of England Forest

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52 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Maybe it is different in Wales.

We were told by the local council footpaths officer that they had to be, the council supplied the signs so it was no issue for us.

There are permissive paths on the estate beside us (Cumbria) there are no signs stating such.    There is a map in the village car park a good 1/3 to 1/2 mile from the start of the paths.

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20 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Maybe it is different in Wales.

We were told by the local council footpaths officer that they had to be, the council supplied the signs so it was no issue for us.

I can find no national legislation that says a "Permissive Path" has to be signed in any way. Sounds like it is an RoW Department making up their own rules.

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There is no legislation in England and Wales regarding sign posting of permissive paths, however if you wish to keep the path permissive only and not have it challenged as a RoW then signage is very useful.

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26 minutes ago, StationMaster said:

There is no legislation in England and Wales regarding sign posting of permissive paths, however if you wish to keep the path permissive only and not have it challenged as a RoW then signage is very useful.

One near us is closed  on Christmas Day each year as a way to ensure it remains permissive.    The notification of closure seems to serve the purpose.

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From around 1903, the L&LC charged a half-penny for the use of the towpath once a year. The ticket may have been printed because earlier attempts to charge for the use of the towpath on 'half-penny day' had resulted in one bankranger being assaulted by two old ladies who thought he was begging after he asked for their half-penny. Both the L&LC and BW put up printed notices once a year, with access to towpaths being reviewed in 1961.

halfpenny day receipt 125.jpg

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