Which 240 hook up socket ?

[narrowboatmike]

Hi, can anybody recommend a decent waterproof 240 hook up socket. There seems to be so many on the market

but most say splash proof so not sure if they are suitable for life on a narrowboat . any suggestions are greatly

appreciated, thanks, Mike  

[Tracy D'arth]

Caravan ones flush mount with a drop down door, absolutely fine.

[Alan de Enfield]

8 minutes ago, narrowboatmike said:

Hi, can anybody recommend a decent waterproof 240 hook up socket. There seems to be so many on the market

but most say splash proof so not sure if they are suitable for life on a narrowboat . any suggestions are greatly

appreciated, thanks, Mike  

None are waterproof (as in can be immersed)

 

They are all 'splashproof' but ensure you fit it to the boat in the correct orientation.

 

You could do a lot worse than this :

 

https://www.screwfix.com/p/abb-16a-2p-e-surface-socket-250v/1858f

[Tracy D'arth]

Caravan ones flush mount with a drop down door, absolutely fine.

 

Try this.  

 

https://www.towsure.com/flush-fit-caravan-mains-electric-inlet?gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCbxZUNxLtwUA1D2g4qdWHuoElC1mHRhD9vfE10FxY91vlEXs7wBTqRxoCNKAQAvD_BwE

[Iain_S]

You can get them to IP67. Doesn't help much for an inlet plug with nothing conneced, but makes for a more waterproof connection if both plug and socket are IP67. 

 

They are compatible wth the IP44 ones, but obviously the connection is only as waterroof as the lower rating plug/socket.

 

https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/categories/bs4343-240v-blue-bs4343-240v-ip67-splashproof-plugs-sockets

[narrowboatmike]

Great, many thanks for the suggestions. CEF electrical sounds the business, thanks once again, Mike.

[WotEver]

7 minutes ago, narrowboatmike said:

Great, many thanks for the suggestions. CEF electrical sounds the business, thanks once again, Mike.

Ensure you get the matching plug though

[RAP]

Here’s a posh one...

 

https://www.intellitecmv.com/products/power-inlet-stainless-with-cover-16a-250vac-2p-3w?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5NmJ-v2Q7AIVGIXVCh18kALpEAkYEiABEgIML_D_BwE

 

[Flyboy]

1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:

None are waterproof (as in can be immersed)

 

They are all 'splashproof' but ensure you fit it to the boat in the correct orientation.

 

You could do a lot worse than this :

 

https://www.screwfix.com/p/abb-16a-2p-e-surface-socket-250v/1858f

Very dangerous recommending a surface socket for the boat. This means that the incoming cable will have live pins to electrocute you. Should be a surface plug. Most boats have these and are mounted upside down which allows rainwater into the socket.

[Alan de Enfield]

1 minute ago, Flyboy said:

Very dangerous recommending a surface socket for the boat. This means that the incoming cable will have live pins to electrocute you. Should be a surface plug. Most boats have these and are mounted upside down which allows rainwater into the socket.

Oops - thankyou.

 

Indeed the boat mounted connector should be the Plug to which you 'plug in' the shoreline which has a 'socket' on the end.

 

I picked the wrong picture. It should have been something like this (mounted with the 'pins' pointing downwards)

 

https://www.screwfix.com/p/abb-16a-2p-e-surface-plug-250v/6490f

[Flyboy]

5 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Oops - thankyou.

 

Indeed the boat mounted connector should be the Plug to which you 'plug in' the shoreline which has a 'socket' on the end.

 

I picked the wrong picture. It should have been something like this (mounted with the 'pins' pointing downwards)

 

https://www.screwfix.com/p/abb-16a-2p-e-surface-plug-250v/6490f

Strangely no, the pins should point upwards so that the cable socket shroud fits over the surface plug and keeps rainwater out.  Most boats I've looked at have the surface plug the wrong way up, even boat builders get it wrong. 

[Alan de Enfield]

6 minutes ago, Flyboy said:

Strangely no, the pins should point upwards so that the cable socket shroud fits over the surface plug and keeps rainwater out.  Most boats I've looked at have the surface plug the wrong way up, even boat builders get it wrong. 

 

Fine when moored up on the landline, but most of us spend a large proportion of the time 'not connected', and installing it 'pins up'means it fills full of rain water.

 

As per (Port side of the rear doors)

 

 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Alan de Enfield

[Alastair]

I found that these fittings are far from rainproof and over time can fill with water. 

 

If I used them again, i'd go over every seam in the plug and socket with silicone.

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

21 minutes ago, Flyboy said:

Very dangerous recommending a surface socket for the boat. This means that the incoming cable will have live pins to electrocute you. Should be a surface plug. Most boats have these and are mounted upside down which allows rainwater into the socket.

Yes, my BSS examiner picked that up on my boat. It’s on a ‘promise’ to change it over. 
I never plug in, so it’s not a problem. 
 

However I will change it. 
 

[doratheexplorer]

My cabin top overhangs my cruiser stern, making a canopy.  The hookup point is under the canopy and never gets wet.

[Duck-n-Dive]

I use these when I can.

https://www.cactusnav.com/marinco-inlet-stainless-steel-lock-p-14565.html

 

 

[robtheplod]

We use this type:

 

 

[Flyboy]

14 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

We use this type:

 

 

You have a surface socket so very dangerous, Change it asap. If you look at your shoreline I'll wager you will see a pin plug at each end.

[robtheplod]

1 minute ago, Flyboy said:

You have a surface socket so very dangerous, Change it asap. If you look at your shoreline I'll wager you will see a pin plug at each end.

There are pins inside, not a socket....  This is a pic of the old one we replaced (like for like).... still think its dangerous?

 

 

[Flyboy]

56 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Fine when moored up on the landline, but most of us spend a large proportion of the time 'not connected', and installing it 'pins up'means it fills full of rain water.

 

As per (Port side of the rear doors)

 

 

Yes you will get rainwater in it when not in use so needs a cap on it.  A ridiculous situation I know but if you plug your shoreline in you will see how the shrouds work.

[Flyboy]

10 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

There are pins inside, not a socket....  This is a pic of the old one we replaced (like for like).... still think its dangerous?

 

 

Have a look at the end of the pins, are they solid or are they hollow?  If they are solid you have the correct surface plug.

[robtheplod]

They are solid pins and the end of the shoreline that goes onto this is a socket... phew!

Edited September 30, 2020 by robtheplod

[Flyboy]

4 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

They are solid pins... phew!

That's great.  The danger arises when you have exposed pins on both ends of the shoreline.

[GUMPY]

2 hours ago, Flyboy said:

Strangely no, the pins should point upwards so that the cable socket shroud fits over the surface plug and keeps rainwater out.  Most boats I've looked at have the surface plug the wrong way up, even boat builders get it wrong. 

Another wrong answer   The pins should be horizontal this prevents water running down the cable and in through the gland when plugged in, it also prevents water collecting around the pins when unconnected.

Connectors of this type are not designed to be used in a vertical orientation, water will always get in if they are used that way. I have had connectors outside lying on the grass for years with no water ingress at all. Hang them vertical and they can have water in them in a matter of days.

My boat 230v inlet is a menekes ip67 appliance inlet with a separate cap that seals it when not in use. It looks like the plug and cover  below but smaller

 

 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Loddon

[Alan de Enfield]

1 hour ago, Loddon said:

Another wrong answer   The pins should be horizontal this prevents water running down the cable and in through the gland when plugged in, it also prevents water collecting around the pins when unconnected.

Connectors of this type are not designed to be used in a vertical orientation, water will always get in if they are used that way. I have had connectors outside lying on the grass for years with no water ingress at all. Hang them vertical and they can have water in them in a matter of days.

My boat 230v inlet is a menekes ip67 appliance inlet with a separate cap that seals it when not in use. It looks like the plug and cover  below but smaller

 

 

 

We have similar (but stainless) makes a totally sealed (wave-proof) cap.

And the shore-line makes a similar watertight connection. Rubber seals and a 'screw' fit.

 

A bit OTT for canal use tho'.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Alan de Enfield