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2 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said:

Or even You-ists!

 

I guess in old money it could be a type of socialism. Maybe it's only the older generations that remember some suggestions of a better world in the vision of the future, that wasn't entirely based on marketing and greed. 

 

 

 

 

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Lincoln is an odd place, very insular and I can imagine that there will be a considerable flouting of the guidelines.  I lived there for many years and was extremely pleased to leave... I do think that a considerable number of people of various age groups are now comfortable with ignoring advice/rules/laws about Covid protection and we just have to put up with it, I'm afraid.  There has been such inconsistency and official misinformation, coupled with the fact that everyone knows someone on FaceBook who heard THE TRUTH from an expert somewhere, that everyone is now making up their own minds as to what is safe and how to behave.  This is fine for those of us who, like me, are fairly asocial anyway (and have a house full of musical instruments and books as well as the boat) but extremely hard on those who aren't and whose lives are constrained by it.

So I sympathise with LadyG but i don't think anything much is going to change for a considerable while.

As for the flu vaccine, it still seems to be available if you pay for it (about thirteen quid) but a lot of pharmacies are rationing the free jabs to those with health conditions - another example of a wild government promise that took no account of fact. There's supposed to be another big delivery sometime next week. And if it matters, I had no side effects at all from mine.

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3 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

 

As for the flu vaccine, it still seems to be available if you pay for it (about thirteen quid) but a lot of pharmacies are rationing the free jabs to those with health conditions - another example of a wild government promise that took no account of fact. There's supposed to be another big delivery sometime next week. And if it matters, I had no side effects at all from mine.

Our doctors surgery is doing as they always do and hiring a big hall where those who "qualify" for a flu vaccine, go along at the appointed hour and get their free jab.  It works like clockwork and you are in and out in a couple of minutes.  We will certainly be getting ours.

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20 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

As for the flu vaccine, it still seems to be available if you pay for it (about thirteen quid) but a lot of pharmacies are rationing the free jabs to those with health conditions - another example of a wild government promise that took no account of fact. There's supposed to be another big delivery sometime next week. And if it matters, I had no side effects at all from mine.

Tesco are doing it for 9 quid.

 

OOps - just checked and they are not offering it at the moment - due to "very high levels of demand".

 

I had no side effects from mine too, not a thing, but Mrs. Nomad had hers the day after and she got a very painful red sore patch at the injection site, it's subsiding now though.

 

I'm 61 and got mine free at our local pharmacy as I fit the new category of '51 to 64 with no other conditions'.

 

 

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I'm off to Lincoln, can't be more strange than Worksop, anyway all I want are proper spuds, and a wander round the Cathedral, the outside, I expect, also go to

 a sporting pub, ie Racing TV and a bookies next door, plus real ale.

Where should I head for? 

Should I take my bike?

Tx

Jo

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Odd isn't it that this forum is specled with the importance of things like carbon monoxide alarms and how they should be mandatory and how you mustn't hang ropes on the tiller pin in case it falls into the prop but this comes along and it's all Don't look then, can't blame them, go home and ignore it. I'm convinced that the problem is that most people don't see any harm in breaching the rules. They literally haven't seen any harm. For most people the deaths have been just numbers on the news. For obvious reasons images of the dying and the accounts of those who were with them at their passing are not in circulation. Absolutely the only way to change this is by making harm visible in the form of a £200 fine and for that harm to be anecdotally repeated as widely as possible.

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25 minutes ago, Sir Nibble said:

 Absolutely the only way to change this is by making harm visible in the form of a £200 fine and for that harm to be anecdotally repeated as widely as possible.

 

If the pocket is the only way that they can be made to appreciate the problem, then, fine them to the hilt. But if the police have to get heavier (tougher), it is going to be followed by cries of - fascist state. 

 

The government (country) cannot afford to keep dishing out money to support time off work. If that is a common sense that people have, the result is going to be no expectations of a lockdown in a hurry. Issuing warnings is one option; expecting those to be heeded - not much chance. Continuing with the precautionary system is still important. 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, LadyG said:

Can I take it you are a half wit, by which I mean you think the disease is not affecting you or yours, so you don't need to change your behaviour OR THAT OF OTHER PEOPLE. 

I can give you a personal example of my half witted father, he smoked in the house, my mother horribly of lung cancer, he continued to smoke, never mentioned my mother again, it was obviously inconvenient having to pay for a housekeeper, so I got farmed out to relatives  until I was able to earn my own living.

My interest in disease was further nurtured by tuberculosis in a close relative, my uncle was a senior medic, so I was pretty much indoctrinated with all sorts of medical discussion as I sat at the kitchen table.

You are correct.

I am reminded of the war films which told us of so many young men  who went off to war, amid cheering and full public support.

And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda (song)

......  sometimes we have to stand back, look at history, ask what is important, it matters not that only one of my relatives died in France, what matters is that he lost his life, ten days in France, three stays in a field hospital. Two woundings, one gassing. A bit off topic, sorry, but I cannot change the attitude of the majority, that is the job of the politician.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, LadyG said:

I remember on the outer isles (1980) where a rather well oiled old chap was helped in to his car, it was explaned he would not make it home otherwise,, that was true enough, and it was a single track road with steep ditches either side , no one would be coming towards the pub at that time of night!

I don't tell people what to do if they don't get in to my bubble, but if they step within one or two metres I will back off if I can, if they persist, I will tell them what to do! I am polite with my first comment, but not with my second.

The trouble with a virulent invisible disease is just that .......... I live in a country where policing is concensual, there is no martial law on the streets, unlike Wuhan, where as I recal, the disease kicked off, and presumably took hold. I don't think the police can do anything other than cause annoyance to all concerned, how do they deal with raves, or  groups of seven (not sure if that is a science based rule, unlikely)

Carry an errected umbrella at all times to ensure stupid folk keep their distance. No one likes getting poked in the eye. Should be made law for everyone when out and in the shops.

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8 minutes ago, bizzard said:

Carry an errected umbrella at all times to ensure stupid folk keep their distance. No one likes getting poked in the eye. Should be made law for everyone when out and in the shops.

Or get yourself a sausage dog.....

 

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I think part of the problems is the numbers. You can sort of envisage half a dozen people dead, but fifty thousand is just too much, and when none of the people you know are in that number, you just close it out.  Until, of course, someone is.

In the meantime, Lincoln's main problem is that the Cathedral is up the top and the shops are mostly down the bottom, and the imaginatively named Steep Hill, is.  I used to live at the top and work at the bottom and I've heaved a pram up and down the damn thing more often than I care to remember. Probably most of the pubs I remember are shut by now, but if you do find the Turk's Head, do give it my best regards.

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I don't believe there will be a vaccine. They still haven't cured the ordinary cold.

It's a virus....a virus doesn't live so you can't 'kill' it. 

I don't think we've ever cured a virus ?

 

I think...in my opinion....we will have to learn to live with it and cope in whatever way makes us personally feel safe.

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10 minutes ago, Bobbybass said:

I don't believe there will be a vaccine. They still haven't cured the ordinary cold.

It's a virus....a virus doesn't live so you can't 'kill' it. 

I don't think we've ever cured a virus ?

 

I think...in my opinion....we will have to learn to live with it and cope in whatever way makes us personally feel safe.

Vaccines tend to work by training the bodies own immune system to know the target, viruses and bacteria vaccines are both available 

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/virus-vaccine

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3 minutes ago, Bobbybass said:

I don't think we've ever cured a virus ?

Not sure what you mean by "cured a virus" but if you mean got a cure for then Polio might be a candidate.   There are three strains of the virus WPV 1, 2 and 3.  (WPV = Wild Polio Virus) 

 

I don't know about type 1 but WPV2 was last case was extinct in 1999 and declared eradicated in 2015.   WPV3 last case 2012 declared eradicated 2019.    So there is hope for a vaccine.

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Folk in the UK and most of the industrial world have it easy, just stay away from everyone and you will not get infected.

 

Try India, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Laos, Philippines ( where there is a shoot on sight curfew )  where there is no way of surviving alone.

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1 hour ago, Jerra said:

Not sure what you mean by "cured a virus" but if you mean got a cure for then Polio might be a candidate.   There are three strains of the virus WPV 1, 2 and 3.  (WPV = Wild Polio Virus) 

 

I don't know about type 1 but WPV2 was last case was extinct in 1999 and declared eradicated in 2015.   WPV3 last case 2012 declared eradicated 2019.    So there is hope for a vaccine.

Smallpox virus was eradicated completely by quarantining, isolation and vaccine programs by 1989

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I said... ' I don't think'.... and..' in my opinion'.

 

I didn't say I knew....

 

I stand corrected ( said the man in surgical shoes)

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2 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:

So why has the common cold not been eradicated?

Perhaps because it isn't a threat to life so nobody has put in the effort/money to develop a cure.

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On 26/09/2020 at 06:59, LadyG said:

This is a rant.

So what's new? 

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I have been living in virtual isolation for six months now, and faced with another six, is it worth it?

I went in to town for groceries, unable to get a decent pub lunch, without using Wetherspoons where I would have to wait ten minutes to be allocated one of the approx twenty empty tables.

I ended up with chips on polystyrene and cheap mayo, bad choice, should have tried that Subway place.

After visiting three pubs without success I found The White Lion S801HF, excellent ale, a choice of two, I was the only customer, I looked at menu, ambitious, but at least there was plenty of choice, unable to eat due to those earlier chips ,  White Lion has no frills decor, and I really mean that! 

I think these are what's commonly referred to as "first world problems".

 

My advice is once things get back to normal (if that ever happens), take a trip to West Africa and see what sort of lives other human beings are leading and the situations that they are having to deal with. You might feel a bit more fortunate about your own life once you get back.

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1 hour ago, Tracy D'arth said:

So why has the common cold not been eradicated?  Its a virus.

There is a lifetime inoculation for Pneumonia now. Its a virus.

Herpes?

The common cold is actually a whole range of viruses and they are know to evolve rapidly, this buggers up the effectiveness of any vaccine targeted to a specific virus, which is something this current covid doesn't do with such vigor which is lucky for us.

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Just now, tree monkey said:

The common cold is actually a whole range of viruses and they are know to evolve rapidly, this buggers up the effectiveness of any vaccine targeted to a specific virus, which is something this current covid doesn't do with such vigor which is lucky for us.

 

Do we know that for sure yet? Covid-19 may well mutate rendering any vaccine or herd immunity useless.

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1 minute ago, blackrose said:

 

Do we know that for sure yet? Covid-19 may well mutate rendering any vaccine or herd immunity useless.

Based on a very brief bit of reading a few weeks ago, so far at least yes it seems to be stable.

I did skim read something today which suggested there may be a new form which shows an even more infectious version but it was only for study and they were cautious about the result 

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