Electric Boats

[peterboat]

1 hour ago, IanD said:

Your EV use is typical of *you* -- as you've said before, you have a small relatively short-range EV with a range extender, and you have enough free time to slow-charge (also free!) while shopping, and you don't make long journeys, and you can charge at home, and never use rapid chargers. But very few EV owners fall into all these categories, which is why an EV is so good for you but rather less good for many other people.

 

Widebeams are indeed ideal for many things if you want lots of space and are on a suitable canal. But yet again you're in the minority, most boats on the canals are narrowboats, and electric is less attractive for them. Most hybrid boats are narrow beam, going by all the blogs from owners and builders -- just because *you* don't know any doesn't prove anything, maybe because you're on a wide canal where most of the boats are wide too? (you and your mates again...)

 

I don't need to own either an EV or a wideboat (or indeed any boat...) to be able to see that your situation is nowhere near "normal" -- meaning, that of most people. So every time you eulogise about how great EV/EB are *for you* without admitting that your experience is not typical and wouldn't apply to many people, I point it out for you. If you don't like this, try making your posts more accurate and less misleading.

 

If the ASA had control over your posts, they'd be repeatedly rapping you on the knuckles for misleading EV/EB advertising 😉

Still wrong Ian and until you have both you will never get it, until you own both! I know 3 other owners with widebeam and no narrowboat. EVs I know plenty of owners same situation as myself pottering around with occasional long trips, like me they can charge at home and do but equally they charge for free when out and about. We do long journeys and do rapid charging you saw a bill for it

[ditchcrawler]

Just now, peterboat said:

  EVs I know plenty of owners same situation as myself pottering around with occasional long trips, like me they can charge at home  

This is how my mate does it, uses his Zoe as a local run about but when he goes to visit family in France or Manchester its the diesel Skoda 

[IanD]

16 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Still wrong Ian and until you have both you will never get it, until you own both! I know 3 other owners with widebeam and no narrowboat. EVs I know plenty of owners same situation as myself pottering around with occasional long trips, like me they can charge at home and do but equally they charge for free when out and about. We do long journeys and do rapid charging you saw a bill for it

<sigh> so you know a few people in one small widebeam part of the country North...

 

Go and look at the analysis of how most people actually use and charge EVs, you are in a small minority, as is your vehicle (and your boat). Of course you know other people doing what you do, because you don't know many salesman or younger people (or electric narrowboaters) who have very different lifestyles and requirements, including driving 20000-30000 miles a year, or commuting long distances to and from work which may be in varying locations. I don't need to personally know all these people or own an EV to know this, because there's plenty of data out there which you just ignore 😉

 

You seem to live in your own little bubble where all that matters is you and your mates, and then you extrapolate this to "the whole country" regardless of whether this is true or not (it isn't).

 

And before you dig back at me with the same accusation -- I'm well aware that my situation is in no way typical of most people (and boaters), and that many other (most?) people have very different requirements to me, and their needs are not mine -- and I don't claim that what works for me is the best solution for them, or that they should adopt the same solutions that I do -- unless they *want* to... 😉

Edited September 28, 2022 by IanD

[bizzard]

Some Germans have electric boots !

[IanD]

5 minutes ago, bizzard said:

Some Germans have electric boots !

You mean E-boots? 😉

[peterboat]

32 minutes ago, IanD said:

<sigh> so you know a few people in one small widebeam part of the country North...

 

Go and look at the analysis of how most people actually use and charge EVs, you are in a small minority, as is your vehicle (and your boat). Of course you know other people doing what you do, because you don't know many salesman or younger people (or electric narrowboaters) who have very different lifestyles and requirements, including driving 20000-30000 miles a year, or commuting long distances to and from work which may be in varying locations. I don't need to personally know all these people or own an EV to know this, because there's plenty of data out there which you just ignore 😉

 

You seem to live in your own little bubble where all that matters is you and your mates, and then you extrapolate this to "the whole country" regardless of whether this is true or not (it isn't).

 

And before you dig back at me with the same accusation -- I'm well aware that my situation is in no way typical of most people (and boaters), and that many other (most?) people have very different requirements to me, and their needs are not mine -- and I don't claim that what works for me is the best solution for them, or that they should adopt the same solutions that I do -- unless they *want* to... 😉

Actually 2 are in the south 😄 as for car owners the forums are a good indicator of what's happening, since covid things have changed, yes there will be the high mileage warriors but zoom has slowed it all down thankfully. 

Jayne the other half is a good example 300 miles a week for work, she now goes into work once or twice a week. Her whole department is the same, saves money and pollution 

[Ronaldo47]

In the 1970's there used to be a long-gone shop in Forest Gate, East London, whose shop front bore the intriguing name "The Electric Boot Company". When I looked it up in the phone book to show a friend I was not making it up, I found the name was short for "The Electric Boot and Shoe Repair Company", presumably too long to fit.  I did take a photo, but it was early evening and the colour slide turned out rather dark. Still got it somewhere.

Edited September 28, 2022 by Ronaldo47
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[ditchcrawler]

Rather than start a new thread I thought I would just add this here. Its real life numbers from a boater who seems too cover quite a few miles every year in an Electric narrowboat. (14) Updated: I just calculated our total... - Narrowboat Tethys Expats | Facebook

[Alan de Enfield]

46 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

Rather than start a new thread I thought I would just add this here. Its real life numbers from a boater who seems too cover quite a few miles every year in an Electric narrowboat. (14) Updated: I just calculated our total... - Narrowboat Tethys Expats | Facebook

 

Thats useful information - so it uses ~ 60% more diesel to run an electric boat (~1.6 litres per hour) than it does to run a diesel boat (~1 litre per hour)

 

Who'd have thought it !

[IanD]

2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Thats useful information - so it uses ~ 60% more diesel to run an electric boat (~1.6 litres per hour) than it does to run a diesel boat (~1 litre per hour)

 

Who'd have thought it !

 

A couple of comments -- the headline figures in the first post you quoted were wrong and corrected later, and an apples-to-apples comparison is difficult given the use of onboard power compared to a typical diesel boat -- possibly high because there's lots of it! -- and the amount used by the Webasto. And of course the energy use for propulsion also depends heavily on how fast you're travelling/locking, as I found.

 

Other people (including me, but for a much shorter period) have reported much lower figures than this (and lower than a diesel) for just propulsion, which is what would be expected.

[magnetman]

It says 1.6L per mile not per hour. 

 

 

 

If they get this basic stuff wrong I think it is a little bit awkward and detracts credibility. 

[Alan de Enfield]

1 minute ago, IanD said:

A couple of comments -- the headline figures in the first post you quoted were wrong and corrected later,

 

One can only use the information provided - how is anyone supposed to know that the 'figures were changed later' ?

[magnetman]

 

 

Slow boat. Is it noisy too? 

 

 

[IanD]

Just now, Alan de Enfield said:

 

One can only use the information provided - how is anyone supposed to know that the 'figures were changed later' ?

By reading the post, including the responses to it?

[magnetman]

Maybe it is a really big boat doing 4mph and using over 6 litres of diesel per hour. 

 

Or not. 

Expensive way to get around !

10 hour day £60+ hmmm 

 

 

2 minutes ago, IanD said:

By reading the post, including the responses to it?

I tried reading facebook comments once. Too depressing ! 

[Alan de Enfield]

12 minutes ago, IanD said:

By reading the post, including the responses to it?

 

When when does not 'do' farceberk one only gets to see a small extract of whatever is there,

 

There are millions of people who do not use it.

[IanD]

AFAIK the only valid (properly controlled) "diesel vs. electric/hybrid fuel consumption" test was the Ortomarine one, which ran multiple boats of each type over exactly the same course including multiple different canals and rivers over several days.

 

IIRC the conclusion was that the electric boats (with generators) used about half the fuel of the diesel ones.

 

Which is still not a justification for them, as has been said many times this is silent cruising -- but the fuel/emissions saving is a nice little bonus... 😉

[peterboat]

1 minute ago, IanD said:

AFAIK the only valid (properly controlled) "diesel vs. electric/hybrid fuel consumption" test was the Ortomarine one, which ran multiple boats of each type over exactly the same course including multiple different canals and rivers over several days.

 

IIRC the conclusion was that the electric boats (with generators) used about half the fuel of the diesel ones.

 

Which is still not a justification for them, as has been said many times this is silent cruising -- but the fuel/emissions saving is a nice little bonus... 😉

I have joined the group to see what is really happening, I have a feeling they are running the genny continues rather than when its needed?

[IanD]

6 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

When when does not 'do' farceberk one only gets to see a small extract of whatever is there,

 

There are millions of people who do not use it.

You asked the question; what you're doing is the equivalent of only reading an attention-seeking headline and not the detail that follows, because it's too much bother.

 

But then it gave you an excuse to make another negative post about electric boats, so if that makes you happy carry on... 🙂

[magnetman]

I read it as a negative post about facebook not about electric boats. 

 

I personally think negative posts about facebook should be encouraged because facebook is the porn of the devil. 

 

 

facebook. 

 

 

There. I managed to name it four times in one post ! 

Aldous Huxley was right. Mass media accessible to all is promoting the apocalypse. 

 

When the end of the world comes armageddon outa here. 

[IanD]

3 minutes ago, magnetman said:

I read it as a negative post about facebook not about electric boats. 

 

I personally think negative posts about facebook should be encouraged because facebook is the porn of the devil.

 

facebook. 

 

There. I managed to name it four times in one post ! 

 

Do you use Facebook?

 

If not, how do you know?

Edited November 15 by IanD

[magnetman]

One can read comments without logging in. 

 

So yes I have been known to look at facebook for the purposes of education. 

 

Its quite illuminating and rather similar to a broken light bulb 

 

It is if and when you log in that you are engaged with the devil and need tongs. 

 

Assumption. 

[IanD]

1 minute ago, magnetman said:

One can read comments without logging in. 

 

So yes I have been known to look at facebook for the purposes of education. 

 

Its quite illuminating and rather similar to a broken light bulb 

 

It is if and when you log in that you are engaged with the devil and need tongs. 

 

Assumption. 

 

There is indeed a lot of drivel and rubbish on Facebook, and it's plagued with adverts.

 

But nevertheless as well as being good for keeping groups of people with mutual interests in touch there is some useful information on there, if you can be bothered to sort the gold from the dross.

 

Saying "I refuse to look at it because it's all sh*t" is a bit like saying "I refuse to read any newspapers or watch news on the TV because it's all biased sh*t" -- that might well be partly true, but it doesn't leave you very well informed about what's going on in the world... 😉

[magnetman]

I don't read papers or watch telly. 

 

Being informed by other peoples opinions and bias is not what I call informed. 

 

But I see what you mean. 

don't get me started on youtube/google. 

 

It really is dodgy giving the plebs access to so much information. They can't handle it and it is too easy to use it in a dangerous way and manipulate people. 

 

Aldous was right about this. 

 

 

It was probably the Eton education that gave him the insight

[Arthur Marshall]

16 minutes ago, magnetman said:

I don't read papers or watch telly. 

 

Being informed by other peoples opinions and bias is not what I call informed. 

 

But I see what you mean. 

don't get me started on youtube/google. 

 

It really is dodgy giving the plebs access to so much information. They can't handle it and it is too easy to use it in a dangerous way and manipulate people. 

 

Aldous was right about this. 

 

 

It was probably the Eton education that gave him the insight

Unfortunately there's no other way to know anything at all. We all just pick the sources of info that we find either reliable or relatable. I quite value opinions by some people on here, for example. I learnt a lot from Tony Brooks stuff on the web. Gibbo told me how to phix my phridge. I don't read the Daily Mail, and I don't believe everything I read anywhwre else, but... Did you know you can't vote without ID? How did you find that out, or didn't you believe it?

You've got to get information from somewhere. What you need to sift it is education, and the application of thought.