The Chandlery says I'm not allowed to buy paint.

[Alan de Enfield]

Needed a couple of tins of 2-pack paint to finish off the boat.

SWMBO went to the chandlery and asked for "2 tins of Hempel PolyGloss, colour White" to be told they had non in stock. Further enquiries, and it came to light that 'private' customers are no longer allowed to buy 2-pack paints 'over the counter' and they can only be bought by 'professional users'.

 

Cans are even marked "Professional Use Only"

 

 

 

 

I can buy from Amazon, or ebay, or even online from some Chandlers, but not over the counter.

 

Any one any ideas about what may be going on.

[mrsmelly]

Bloomin eu sticking their................................eh oh just a minute...................?

[OldGoat]

Name and Shame

kill,

kill,

Do a wobbly

(give them a spurious company name).

 

This used to be the status quo many years ago - the solution was to type up an order with a reasonable (beilevable) trading name and go in with an order.

Worked for me...

[matty40s]

Well, I went to Swindling Swithlanders the other day and asked for a 4"flue pipe and a reducing collar and first got told no, not for Morso squirrels. I asked again and got told 3 times that they didn't recommend it, had I measured it correctly, didnt I mean 4 1/2".

No, 4" flue thankyou, you do stock them don't you??......yes, but we dont recommend them...

Arghhh, just give me the flue.

[Alan de Enfield]

7 minutes ago, OldGoat said:

Name and Shame

kill,

kill,

Do a wobbly

(give them a spurious company name).

 

This used to be the status quo many years ago - the solution was to type up an order with a reasonable (beilevable) trading name and go in with an order.

Worked for me...

We do have two limited companies in 'our name' so a bit quicker thinking and maybe she could have got them to 'order it in'.

 

Ordered yesterday on ebay, at £3 a can more expensive and its due to arrive today ("overnight") and it would have been £5+ to go back and pick it up in a 'few days' time. So got what I wanted, it just seems weird.

I know that there were plans to make DIY antifouling illegal under EU environmental rules, but 2-pack paint ???

 

 

Anyway, all sorted - if the wind & storm stops.

[LadyG]

15 minutes ago, OldGoat said:

Name and Shame

kill,

kill,

Do a wobbly

(give them a spurious company name).

 

This used to be the status quo many years ago - the solution was to type up an order with a reasonable (beilevable) trading name and go in with an order.

Worked for me...

I cant beeleeve its as easi as that.

[TheBiscuits]

39 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Cans are even marked "Professional Use Only"

https://www.firwood.co.uk/blog/product-news-and-information/what-does-for-professional-use-only-mean-when-using-idustrial-paint

[mrsmelly]

14 minutes ago, matty40s said:

Well, I went to Swindling Swithlanders the other day and asked for a 4"flue pipe and a reducing collar and first got told no, not for Morso squirrels. I asked again and got told 3 times that they didn't recommend it, had I measured it correctly, didnt I mean 4 1/2".

No, 4" flue thankyou, you do stock them don't you??......yes, but we dont recommend them...

Arghhh, just give me the flue.

Why didn't you buy one of those wonderful double skinned ones that let's all the heat escape up it and safely out of the boat ?

[doratheexplorer]

2 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:

https://www.firwood.co.uk/blog/product-news-and-information/what-does-for-professional-use-only-mean-when-using-idustrial-paint

The OP was asking about iNdustrial paint though

[OldGoat]

11 minutes ago, matty40s said:

Well, I went to Swindling Swithlanders the other day and asked for a 4"flue pipe and a reducing collar and first got told no, not for Morso squirrels. I asked again and got told 3 times that they didn't recommend it, had I measured it correctly, didnt I mean 4 1/2".

No, 4" flue thankyou, you do stock them don't you??......yes, but we dont recommend them...

Arghhh, just give me the flue.

Methinks there's so many claims of misselling / liability / whatever now that retailers get overcautious  - or else they can't get insurance / or local trading standards will be at their heels.   

[matty40s]

1 minute ago, mrsmelly said:

Why didn't you buy one of those wonderful double skinned ones that let's all the heat escape up it and safely out of the boat ?

I like to heat the boat, not Gretas planet.

Just now, OldGoat said:

Methinks there's so many claims of misselling / liability / whatever now that retailers get overcautious  - or else they can't get insurance / or local trading standards will be at their heels.   

No, he was being a twat who thought he knew better.

[Alan de Enfield]

5 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:

https://www.firwood.co.uk/blog/product-news-and-information/what-does-for-professional-use-only-mean-when-using-idustrial-paint

Thank you - so I'll say goodbye to one and all, I may not survive another 2 tins.

 

One presumes that the Hempel 2-pack can be used to paint a boat, or, in industrial applications and is covered under the REACH regulations :

 

When looking at products on the Firwood e commerce site some will be labelled 'For Professional Use only' as they contain substances that are hazardous to the environment and human health. Use of these products is restricted by law to industrial and trade users only. Those industrial paints and coatings should only be applied by users that have access to the necessary PPE to handle the product and have trained staff to use these potentially more hazardous products.

The principle legislation related to 'For Professional Use Only' products may be found within the REACH Regulation (EC) 1907/2006. Manufacturers of some chemicals have developed exposure scenarios which limit the use of their product to Professional Users only. These will always include products that have been found to be carcinogenic, mutagenic or reprotoxins.

By law sales of products over the internet must abide by the 'The Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013 (S12013:3134).As well ensuring that any products that are labelled 'For Professional Use Only' cannot be purchased by the general public we are obliged to provide the Safety Data Sheet either prior to or with the supply of the product.The Safety Data Sheet and Technical Data Sheet for all the products sold on our website can be downloaded from the 'Download' tab of each product. Customers that place an order online will be automatically sent a copy of the material safety data sheet on despatch of their first order.

Edited September 2, 2020 by Alan de Enfield

[Alan de Enfield]

44 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Bloomin eu sticking their................................eh oh just a minute...................?

You were correct it is an EU requirement and as part of the divorce settlement we have agreed to implement all EU regulations introduced up until 31/12/20

[Sea Dog]

2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

You were correct it is an EU requirement and as part of the divorce settlement we have agreed to implement all EU regulations introduced up until 31/12/20

Agreed? In terms of Brexit? That's a bit of a stretch from the Oxford English...  You'll be driving to Barnard Castle as an eye test next!

 

[Mad Harold]

43 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

You were correct it is an EU requirement and as part of the divorce settlement we have agreed to implement all EU regulations introduced up until 31/12/20

Just paint your boatai n the new year.

 

[Alan de Enfield]

11 minutes ago, Mad Harold said:

Just paint your boatai n the new year.

 

The agreement is that we will retain all EU legislation in place after we have left until years in the future when we reserve the right to cancel / revoke it.

[DHutch]

1 hour ago, mrsmelly said:

Why didn't you buy one of those wonderful double skinned ones that let's all the heat escape up it and safely out of the boat ?

Having been an advocate of solid/cast flues I have actually have been told by someone whose opinion I value that they have changed their stance, based on a number of first hand accounts of people who have had both that they now recommend a lined flu. The increase in flu gas temp makes for a much more controllable stove, easier to keep in overnight, and less likely to 'run away with itself' due to the positive gain where increased temps  create more draft, and users have noted a reduction in fuel consumption after fitting a lined flu. So there we are!

 

Back to paints!

 

I think it is important than paints which might be dangerous if used incorrectly are given suitable warnings and or controls. However is it not mainly better to make it clear what the requirements are and or encourage us of (and supply) suitable PPE rather than create easily defeatable hurdles?

 

 

Daniel

[Bee]

Typical! What am I going to do when I am booked for the next riot?  I am now so worried about carcinogenic, flammable, dangerous, environmentally awful and explosive substances I am going to ban myself from putting petrol in my petrol bombs in case I hurt myself. 

[David Mack]

3 hours ago, OldGoat said:

 

(give them a spurious company name).

 

This used to be the status quo many years ago - the solution was to type up an order with a reasonable (beilevable) trading name and go in with an order.

Worked for me...

 

30+ years ago the mortgage lenders on the house we were buying required that we have a problem with the roof which their surveyor had identified repaired by a specialist contractor. As I was going to do the work myself (and subsequently did), we seriously considered registering a new company whose specific aims were to repair the roof of 4 Pinewood Road. Can't get much more specialist than that!

[Kiwidad]

3 hours ago, matty40s said:

 

Arghhh, just give me the flue.

But only the flu, nothing worse ?

[Machpoint005]

3 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

we reserve the right to cancel / revoke it.

 

And that certainly doesn't mean that we will.

SInce we are talking here about safety and environmental legislation, I very much hope (and expect) that we won't.

[TheBiscuits]

2 hours ago, Bee said:

Typical! What am I going to do when I am booked for the next riot?  I am now so worried about carcinogenic, flammable, dangerous, environmentally awful and explosive substances I am going to ban myself from putting petrol in my petrol bombs in case I hurt myself. 

 

If you put soap in it it's not as runny ...

 

[Bewildered]

4 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

You were correct it is an EU requirement and as part of the divorce settlement we have agreed to implement all EU regulations introduced up until 31/12/20

What’s this we? I don’t recall agreeing to anything.

I do recall sometime back the public deciding they wanted nothing to do with their troublesome neighbours, but since then it all seems to have ground to a halt.

[Bee]

12 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:

 

If you put soap in it it's not as runny ...

 

I am often surprised by the unexpected knowledge of the folks on here!

[TheBiscuits]

2 minutes ago, Bee said:

I am often surprised by the unexpected knowledge of the folks on here!

 

We ain't all snowflakes soapflakes you know ...