My engine blown need another urgent

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, restlessnomad said:

am not talking about this thread specifically(may be OP is indeed a grumpy man ), just a general observation (I have seen it happening a few times)

If I go to the doctor and tell them.

 

I have a 'pain'

 

and they ask

 

'where is it and what type of pain is it'.

 

And  I say 'you'll need to guess'

 

Do you think I will get the help I need?

[restlessnomad]

9 hours ago, The Happy Nomad said:

If I go to the doctor and tell them.

 

I have a 'pain'

 

and they ask

 

'where is it and what type of pain is it'.

 

And  I say 'you'll need to guess'

 

Do you think I will get the help I need?

hmm... interesting.... ?

[Guest]

9 hours ago, The Happy Nomad said:

If I go to the doctor and tell them.

 

I have a 'pain'

 

and they ask

 

'where is it and what type of pain is it'.

 

And  I say 'you'll need to guess'

 

Do you think I will get the help I need?

After a thorough psychological evaluation, maybe. 

[Tony Brooks]

I am sorry if this comes across as rude but over the years I have come to the conclusion there are a very large number of complete numpties out there and even some conventionally bright people are numpties personified when it comes to practical things.

 

As the price of housing has gone up we find more and more of the less well off, and that often means less able to hold down a decent paying job, are buying boats to live on. This is despite them having no idea about practical issues. I fear this is a case in point. For some reason the OP was incapable of seeing people were trying to help him. He obviously though Mitsubishi have only even made one type of three cylinder diesel engine and had no idea that Mitsubishi do not make small marine diesel engine so his had been marinised by another company. This meant that when people asked about the colour he thought they were taking the weewee. He also seems to have no idea that to move forward he must have engine model and number, so asking for that seemed another mickytake. I fully expect he thinks all Springers are identical and all narrowboats are broadly the same, just like cars. In his eyes he had given all the information needed so asking for more information was just being awkward - hence his and in the past many other outbursts and flounces.

 

I don't think its the OPs fault, I suspect he is not very socialised.

 

It amazes me that people who ask for help seem unwilling to give even a rough location when asked so one of our more practical members can take a look first hand and report back

 

I have no idea what one could do about it unless we got a form on each section that needed filling in and posting in the relevant section so the posters have read that they will be expected to answer questions that may seem unnecessary, be expected to provide images if requested, and expect answers within an hour or so or if they object to that not post.

Edited August 10, 2020 by Tony Brooks

[OldGoat]

It is not just / only / maybe that folks can't express themselves but a lack of knowledge about what a narrowboat is.

That is a car has a mahe and model and  from that it'e relatively easy to find out  what components are in it.

Not so with narrowboats;

any hull

by any fabricator 

with any fittings

any engine

gearbox

propshaft

I'll stop at that

 

Thus when a novice comes on to ask a question he/she is blissfully unaware of the permutations and combinations - and not unreasonably assumes 'we' are taking (whatever)

Similarly it may be their first foray into forums - especially technical ones  - hence they get 'upset' when we throw questions back at them. If they don't reply methinks because they haven't any idea where to find the information.

 

There isn't an easy solution - important mebe that WE don't throw our toys out in return.

 

Thoughts??

 

[WotEver]

9 minutes ago, OldGoat said:

There isn't an easy solution - important mebe that WE don't throw our toys out in return.

Nobody did (in this thread). A little frustration maybe that the OP didn’t respond with any answers to his question. It’s not like he hadn’t looked at the thread as he demonstrated with his singularly unhelpful response of “Neither of those” when asked what colour his engine was. 

[howardang]

On 08/08/2020 at 14:30, Grumpy 8ollox said:

Neither colour 

Can't you get it? The people trying to help you need proper information not cryptic comments. It is no use living up to your sign on name and being grumpy - it is not helping anyone!

Give them as much information as possible.

 

Howard

[Tracy D'arth]

I felt sorry for him, he seems to be in need of help, not nice being stuck on a boat with a broken engine. His physical problems will not help any mental problem he may have.

[Alan de Enfield]

13 hours ago, The Happy Nomad said:

If I go to the doctor and tell them.

 

I have a 'pain'

 

and they ask

 

'where is it and what type of pain is it'.

 

And  I say 'you'll need to guess'

 

Do you think I will get the help I need?

It'd be about 7 years ago, my Mother In Law was feeling unwell, just "not normal, not right" so we convinced her to go to the Doctors, where she tried to explain what she felt, but could only come up with 'my whole body feels not normal and my whole body is in pain'.

The Doctor (who is renowned for his 'bedside manner') said to her "well, when you can tell me what's wrong with you I maybe can do something about it. She died 6 days later with Pancreatic Cancer.

 

A few months later he asked my Wife (on one of her visits) how her mother was and was a little surprised to be told she died less than a week after you telling her to go home and decide what was wrong with her.

Wife has never gone back to that Doctor again.

[WotEver]

18 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

It'd be about 7 years ago, my Mother In Law was feeling unwell, just "not normal, not right" so we convinced her to go to the Doctors, where she tried to explain what she felt, but could only come up with 'my whole body feels not normal and my whole body is in pain'.

The Doctor (who is renowned for his 'bedside manner') said to her "well, when you can tell me what's wrong with you I maybe can do something about it. She died 6 days later with Pancreatic Cancer.

 

A few months later he asked my Wife (on one of her visits) how her mother was and was a little surprised to be told she died less than a week after you telling her to go home and decide what was wrong with her.

Wife has never gone back to that Doctor again.

Was his surname Martin? 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, WotEver said:

Was his surname Martin? 

I was thinking the same - it's almost exactly as scripted.

 

Except the character is actually a very 'competent' doctor who seems to be able to spot obscure things from obscure symptoms.

[Jen-in-Wellies]

4 hours ago, Tony Brooks said:

I am sorry if this comes across as rude but over the years I have come to the conclusion there are a very large number of complete numpties out there and even some conventionally bright people are numpties personified when it comes to practical things.

 

As the price of housing has gone up we find more and more of the less well off, and that often means less able to hold down a decent paying job, are buying boats to live on. This is despite them having no idea about practical issues. I fear this is a case in point. For some reason the OP was incapable of seeing people were trying to help him. He obviously though Mitsubishi have only even made one type of three cylinder diesel engine and had no idea that Mitsubishi do not make small marine diesel engine so his had been marinised by another company. This meant that when people asked about the colour he thought they were taking the weewee. He also seems to have no idea that to move forward he must have engine model and number, so asking for that seemed another mickytake. I fully expect he thinks all Springers are identical and all narrowboats are broadly the same, just like cars. In his eyes he had given all the information needed so asking for more information was just being awkward - hence his and in the past many other outbursts and flounces.

 

I don't think its the OPs fault, I suspect he is not very socialised.

 

It amazes me that people who ask for help seem unwilling to give even a rough location when asked so one of our more practical members can take a look first hand and report back

 

I have no idea what one could do about it unless we got a form on each section that needed filling in and posting in the relevant section so the posters have read that they will be expected to answer questions that may seem unnecessary, be expected to provide images if requested, and expect answers within an hour or so or if they object to that not post.

Perhaps a sticky at the top of boat building and maintenance might help? What sort of questions you might be asked and why we ask them. Why boats are not like cars and why we need to know what the boat builders granddad's inside leg measurement was before we can offer practical help. Trouble is, novice boaters are often in a bit of a state with an apparently dead engine, or whatever, so may not read, or take in stuff like this. Better than nothing though. Maybe a title like "Advice for New Posters on Asking About Techy Problems".

Jen

Edited August 10, 2020 by Jen-in-Wellies

[LadyG]

Nothing is going to give OP an instant solution.

A degree of panic is understandable in his situation, he may calm down over the next few days but be too embarassed to reply.

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by LadyG

[OldGoat]

I fear the OP is aknin to one of my managers quose dictum was

 

"I want solutions not problems"

 

The OP wanted an engine and we have none on offer. Thus he's Foxtrotted Oscar

[dor]

4 hours ago, OldGoat said:

It is not just / only / maybe that folks can't express themselves but a lack of knowledge about what a narrowboat is.

That is a car has a mahe and model and  from that it'e relatively easy to find out  what components are in it.

Not so with narrowboats;

any hull

by any fabricator 

with any fittings

any engine

gearbox

propshaft

I'll stop at that

 

Thus when a novice comes on to ask a question he/she is blissfully unaware of the permutations and combinations - and not unreasonably assumes 'we' are taking (whatever)

Similarly it may be their first foray into forums - especially technical ones  - hence they get 'upset' when we throw questions back at them. If they don't reply methinks because they haven't any idea where to find the information.

 

There isn't an easy solution - important mebe that WE don't throw our toys out in return.

 

Thoughts??

 

But equally, some people come on here and, after their initial surprise at the speed and quantity of the response, answer the questions and are full of praise for the quantity and quality of help.  Even better some will report their progress and offer thanks when their problems are solved.

 

[Machpoint005]

5 hours ago, Tony Brooks said:

>>I have no idea what one could do about it<<

 

I've always found that if you want somebody's help (with anything at all) the best approach is to ask them nicely, be polite and open, show preparedness to learn (it's your problem, not theirs) and enable them to help you.

 

Somebody who doesn't do this is bound to have more trouble -- in life generally, as well as in boating. That's their problem, so let's not try to make it ours.

 

 

 

38 minutes ago, dor said:

>>some people come on here and...<

... ask sensible questions with politeness. It's free.

[Bewildered]

17 hours ago, The Happy Nomad said:

If I go to the doctor and tell them.

 

I have a 'pain'

 

and they ask

 

'where is it and what type of pain is it'.

 

And  I say 'you'll need to guess'

 

Do you think I will get the help I need?

Take these antidepressants for the rest of your life and never darken my doorstep again

[restlessnomad]

in defence of the indefensible: we all are numpties about something or other at one point in time... and problem with ignorance is it does not enable you to ask even right question, or seek answer from right person, you don't know what you are supposed to know... and I dont think it should stop anybody to take an interest in anything or live a life less interesting...

 

about colour of engine, a complete newbie might think people are taking a pi*s, only on second page or 3rd he will know there is a significance. I am not making it up, many newbie type threads are met with a dose of sarcasm/pi**taking (and nothing wrong with having a bit of fun, I don't judge)... 

the only parallel I can suggest is, imagine you are trying to fix your mom's computer over phone (except the forum is much worse, does not have synchronous bidirectional communication)

 

a section specific form and ability to post image easily, might help. There is a chat room, but its not used much.

Edited August 10, 2020 by restlessnomad

[Paul Gwilliams]

I came onto this forum as I'm new to narrow boating.

 

Having looked at some of the threads I knew this was the forum to join.

 

I know that when you throw a question into the ether you will get answers.

 

Those replies will vary with the amount of information I give in my question. I also realise there will be differing opinions as to solving a question however there is usually a consensus of opinions that gives me a way forward

 

I, like others, are trying to do as much as possible myself as it's always been my opinion that because we're a captive audience we are at the mercy of boatyards who are willing to tell me how long a piece of string is but will charge me if I want to buy some. Rightly so as they are in business. If they ran their business on a forum basis then they'll soon go bust

 

This is why we have forums so that the knowledgeable or experienced can impart their knowledge and experiences to the uninitiated and stupid like me.

 

I hope to never upset a person who is only trying to help me and as my knowledge and experiences grow ( don't suppose anyone wants to know how to go into Stoke Bruene lock sideways!) I can repay the help given to me.

 

At the end of the day it's like Who wants to be a millionaire, you ask the audience but you don't have to go with the answer

[Tracy D'arth]

17 minutes ago, restlessnomad said:

in defence of the indefensible: we all are numpties about something or other at one point in time... and problem with ignorance is it does not enable you to ask even right question, or seek answer from right person, you don't know what you are supposed to know... and I dont think it should stop anybody to take an interest in anything or live a life less interesting...

 

about colour of engine, a complete newbie might think people are taking a pi*s, only on second page or 3rd he will know there is a significance. I am not making it up, many newbie type threads are met with a dose of sarcasm/pi**taking (and nothing wrong with having a bit of fun, I don't judge)... 

the only parallel I can suggest is, imagine you are trying to fix your mom's computer over phone (except the forum is much worse, does not have synchronous bidirectional communication)

 

a section specific form and ability to post image easily, might help. There is a chat room, but its not used much.

So you are saying its my fault he huffed because I asked him the colour of his engine? Get a life, I don't know why I bother trying to help on here so just forget it I'll go elsewhere.

 

No wonder there are folks who won't be seen dead on here, so insulting, so unthinking.

[tree monkey]

14 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:

So you are saying its my fault he huffed because I asked him the colour of his engine? Get a life, I don't know why I bother trying to help on here so just forget it I'll go elsewhere.

 

No wonder there are folks who won't be seen dead on here, so insulting, so unthinking.

That's not how I read it, he is just trying to look at this issue from a different perspective and I see absolutely no dig at you or anyone else who tries to help on the forum.

 

[WotEver]

1 hour ago, Tracy D'arth said:

So you are saying its my fault he huffed because I asked him the colour of his engine?

No, I don’t believe he was. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Tracy D'arth said:

So you are saying its my fault he huffed because I asked him the colour of his engine? Get a life, I don't know why I bother trying to help on here so just forget it I'll go elsewhere.

 

No wonder there are folks who won't be seen dead on here, so insulting, so unthinking.

Calm down.

 

I dont think that was what was meant at all.

 

 

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

1 hour ago, Tracy D'arth said:

So you are saying its my fault he huffed because I asked him the colour of his engine? Get a life, I don't know why I bother trying to help on here so just forget it I'll go elsewhere.

 

No wonder there are folks who won't be seen dead on here, so insulting, so unthinking.

Not your fault. You said nowt wrong. 
 

I guess OP was really stressed out having  an hole in his engine. 
 

You said it was ‘grenaded’, and a rod (I assume a con rod) has gone through the block. How would does that happen then? 
Would one have to break at the joint and then get pushed straight down through the block?

 

 

 

[jacko264]

8 hours ago, Goliath said:

Not your fault. You said nowt wrong. 
 

I guess OP was really stressed out having  an hole in his engine. 
 

You said it was ‘grenaded’, and a rod (I assume a con rod) has gone through the block. How would does that happen then? 
Would one have to break at the joint and then get pushed straight down through the block?

 

 

 

If a rod /Conrod snaps it’s normally the small end in the piston that gives up  this is often caused by over reving the engine or

short of oil 
Graham