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3 minutes ago, narrowboatmike said:

Hi , are there any safety regs regarding the a mains plug socket on a kitchen

work surface and the kitchen sink , do they have to be a particular distance apart ?

thanks, Mike

I dont know about the RCD on a new build but the BSS are not bothered by it. I would suggest you use your common sence and dont put it where it will get wet

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ISO 13297 doesn’t have much to say about it except this:

 

“13.5 Receptacles/sockets provided for the galley area shall be located so that appliance cords may be plugged in
without crossing above a galley stove or sink or across a traffic area“

3 hours ago, narrowboatmike said:

I think I've found the answer. It was a recommended distance of 300 mm.

where did that come from?

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1 hour ago, Phoenix_V said:

didnt the rcd have something about an extra sensitive rcd for kitchen sockets

No I don’t think so. Well I can’t find it anyway. An an extra sensitive RCD in a kitchen would be a nuisance, all that steam would make it trip!

 

2 hours ago, WotEver said:

That sounds way too close... a foot?

well I think the point is that in a house one shouldn’t be able to touch a socket and a watery thing at the same time. But in a boat, it simply isn’t big enough unless you want zero sockets in your kitchen.
 

We have double sockets either side of the sink and whilst they are probably a bit more than a foot away, I don’t see much difference between say 6” and 2’ in terms of safety.

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7 hours ago, nicknorman said:

No I don’t think so. Well I can’t find it anyway. An an extra sensitive RCD in a kitchen would be a nuisance, all that steam would make it trip!

 

well I think the point is that in a house one shouldn’t be able to touch a socket and a watery thing at the same time. But in a boat, it simply isn’t big enough unless you want zero sockets in your kitchen.
 

We have double sockets either side of the sink and whilst they are probably a bit more than a foot away, I don’t see much difference between say 6” and 2’ in terms of safety.

 

Exactly, for safety 2 metres (one armstretch) would be ideal but it is impracticable in a narrow boat, so position them where you feel comfortable with them. It is a balance of practicality and safety.

 

In my boat the closest mains sockets are about 500mm away from the sink but supply the microwave and coffee machine which rarely need unplugging.

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10 hours ago, WotEver said:

That sounds way too close... a foot?

We have a 240v socket directly behind our galley sink on NC.

 

To use the sink you do have to lift up the glass lid however which covers the socket.

 

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51 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said:

We have a 240v socket directly behind our galley sink on NC.

 

To use the sink you do have to lift up the glass lid however which covers the socket.

 

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Love that photo!

 

Yeah, as Nick pointed out, within the confines of a boat it's not really practical to not have them close together.

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Just now, WotEver said:

Love that photo!

 

Yeah, as Nick pointed out, within the confines of a boat it's not really practical to not have them close together.

I'm not sure why Syd was sulking but it was the only picture I could find with the sink and socket :D

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4 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said:

I'm not sure why Syd was sulking but it was the only picture I could find with the sink and socket :D

Sadly, it also shows a case of L*ger...

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4 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said:

I prefer it to Fosters.

When we 'had the bar' Bud sales were so low that we gave up on it - if we had a 'party', and it was requested I'd go down to the Co-Op and by a couple of cases.

Even Fosters sales were low and we eventually changed over to one pump on Carling and one on a 'premium' lager (typically Carlsberg)

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12 hours ago, nicknorman said:

ISO 13297 doesn’t have much to say about it except this:

 

“13.5 Receptacles/sockets provided for the galley area shall be located so that appliance cords may be plugged in
without crossing above a galley stove or sink or across a traffic area“

where did that come from?

I always like to know the source of requirements as well, too many people make rules up,

2 hours ago, cuthound said:

 

Exactly, for safety 2 metres (one armstretch) would be ideal but it is impracticable in a narrow boat, so position them where you feel comfortable with them. It is a balance of practicality and safety. 

That is probably not very practical in a house or small flat. 

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1 hour ago, WotEver said:

Love that photo!

 

Yeah, as Nick pointed out, within the confines of a boat it's not really practical to not have them close together.

 

2 hours ago, Naughty Cal said:

We have a 240v socket directly behind our galley sink on NC.

 

To use the sink you do have to lift up the glass lid however which covers the socket.

 

20180524-214545.jpg

Which ties in with what Nick said as your boat is RCD compliant probably independently certified un like our tin slugs which are self certified 

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1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:

When we 'had the bar' Bud sales were so low that we gave up on it - if we had a 'party', and it was requested I'd go down to the Co-Op and by a couple of cases.

Even Fosters sales were low and we eventually changed over to one pump on Carling and one on a 'premium' lager (typically Carlsberg)

Carlsberg. Probably the worst lager in the world.......

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