haza Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 a friend of mine as in is mind of fitting out a new 60 ft narrow boat out .he has every thing in place the land , the work force such as chippy,s sparks, painters it would be finshed off to the best spec on the market hes just after steel only .dont want it boarded or foamed out ,not even fussed abt engine or not ,what sort of price range would he be looking at .it would be finished of to the best spec on the market when finished it would be sold off .so more or less hes looking at something to get is teeth into .more of a new venture and new hobby for him ,. the last venture he took was is own home which is valued at abt 4 million ,and before i get fed back if any .of why dont he just buy one all .fitted and ready to go .hes not interested in any of that . thanks stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 Depends on the quality and workmanship on the shell. Aintree/Collingwood simple probably £20k. Colecraft, XRnD...a bit more. Mel Davies, a bit more again. Brinklow Boys, Paul Barber curvy shapely hull with inset rear panels...£30-40k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 He's buying in a shell, employing a series of tradesmen to do the fitout, and yet he knows so little about the market that he has to ask about shell prices? Is he hoping to sell on for a profit? Looks optimistic to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haza Posted June 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 no he asked me how much a shell would cost .and i did not have an answer for him as i did not know ...and no he would sell it on for what it cost him to do .hes not employing any one they all ready work for him .like i said it would be a venture and new hobby for him ,but your right abt him not knowing abt the market .nor does he want to know ..to my mind if he did not sell it .it would prob ,,stop on is land .just like is rolls and bentley that are just sat in is garage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haza Posted June 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 and yes it sounds stupid idea too me also ,but if you can stay in a 6 grand a night hotel in for 2 weeks over xmas in dubai , its not abt money ,its just abt the doing of it . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) The whole point of buying a shell or a sailaway is to fit it out yourself. Once you have to start getting people to fit it out for you it's likely to become more expensive than getting it professionally fitted by the builder or their contractors. That might be the case even if those people already work for you. Also trades people who renovate houses often don't know what they're doing when it comes to fitting out boats. In answer to your question on shell prices, as Matty says it depends on the quality and the builder. Edited June 21, 2020 by blackrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam1uk Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Some shell builders have prices on their websites: Aintree Boats: http://www.aintreeboats.co.uk/prices/ Tyler Wilson: http://www.tylerwilsonboats.com/index#/traditional-narrowboat-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 95000 it’s on appalled duck. Probably best sail away on planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 8 hours ago, haza said: a friend of mine as in is mind of fitting out a new 60 ft narrow boat out .he has every thing in place the land , the work force such as chippy,s sparks, painters it would be finshed off to the best spec on the market hes just after steel only .dont want it boarded or foamed out ,not even fussed abt engine or not ,what sort of price range would he be looking at .it would be finished of to the best spec on the market when finished it would be sold off .so more or less hes looking at something to get is teeth into .more of a new venture and new hobby for him ,. the last venture he took was is own home which is valued at abt 4 million ,and before i get fed back if any .of why dont he just buy one all .fitted and ready to go .hes not interested in any of that . thanks stay safe If he is employing people to work on it (presumably as they already work for him he is paying them) and is intending to sell it on completion it becomes a commercial build. Is he aware that he MUST (legally) build it in compliance with the RCD ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Bob Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, roland elsdon said: 95000 it’s on appalled duck. Probably best sail away on planet I've got an appalling duck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Nicholas Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, matty40s said: Depends on the quality and workmanship on the shell. Aintree/Collingwood simple probably £20k. Colecraft, XRnD...a bit more. Mel Davies, a bit more again. Brinklow Boys, Paul Barber curvy shapely hull with inset rear panels...£30-40k. Mel Davis - no E. http://meldavis.com Edited June 21, 2020 by Martin Nicholas Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, Dr Bob said: I've got an appalling duck. Well he chose you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 3 hours ago, blackrose said: Also trades people who renovate houses often don't know what they're doing when it comes to fitting out boats. Can you imagine the cock-ups when a domestic electrician starts to wire up a boat ? Or the fun, when a domestic gas installer thinks a boat is just a small house and realises his gas-safe ticket doesn't allow him to go near a boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Martin Nicholas said: Mel Davis - no E. http://meldavis.com Indeed, though we knew who Mattey meant. Have you got one of Mel's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Sounds like Toad of Toad Hall, one day its a canary yellow caravan then the next day he's fed up with it and gets a motor car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haza Posted June 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 thanks matty you have have told me all i wanted to know ,and yes lpg gas fitter is on board and not a domestic like i said he as a mind to do this as a project just like many self fitout people do ,hes a good friend of my fella ,and comes to my boat often .we were chatting and he came out and said if he had a boat he would have this he would have that .and like my fella said to me, once he as something going on in is head he goes with it ,he as over 200 people work for him in some way or another .and its not that he would call on any of these .but i am sure he would ..if he needed some one more qualified then himself to do any job on a fitout .as i am sure we have all done this, my hubby is a roofer ,but he never fitted my gas system .to myn mind its rich men and there toys ,and why not he pays is taxes in this country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 49 minutes ago, haza said: thanks matty you have have told me all i wanted to know ,and yes lpg gas fitter is on board and not a domestic like i said he as a mind to do this as a project just like many self fitout people do ,hes a good friend of my fella ,and comes to my boat often .we were chatting and he came out and said if he had a boat he would have this he would have that .and like my fella said to me, once he as something going on in is head he goes with it ,he as over 200 people work for him in some way or another .and its not that he would call on any of these .but i am sure he would ..if he needed some one more qualified then himself to do any job on a fitout .as i am sure we have all done this, my hubby is a roofer ,but he never fitted my gas system .to myn mind its rich men and there toys ,and why not he pays is taxes in this country I agree. Its obviously just a toy. A good friend of mine had his new boat delivered to Gibralter rather than the UK as it saved him a few shillings and he got to blast it back to the UK before taking it back to the Med. He got a good deal on it 10 years ago for only 1 million 200 thousand. He has every car imaginable and all in drop top form, if they dont make it in a pretty drop top then he has it done as with his Range rover convertible. To some people a fiver is a lot and to some a 100k boat is peanuts, its the way of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Todd Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 9 hours ago, haza said: no he asked me how much a shell would cost .and i did not have an answer for him as i did not know ...and no he would sell it on for what it cost him to do .hes not employing any one they all ready work for him .like i said it would be a venture and new hobby for him ,but your right abt him not knowing abt the market .nor does he want to know ..to my mind if he did not sell it .it would prob ,,stop on is land .just like is rolls and bentley that are just sat in is garage Anticipating selling on at what it costs is a recipe for disappointment, as too many discover in all sorts of areas, not least hobby boats. If selling on is the aim then it is vital to work back from a market price, based on what others are selling. Then fix the budget to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haza Posted June 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 thank you mrsmelly could not have put that better myself ,thats exactly what what my hubbys friend is all about ,he took is work force to dublin last year for the weekend ,stayed at the burlington hotel ,they are of to benidorm on there next jolly up ..some people hay , one good thing tho hubby goes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, haza said: thank you mrsmelly could not have put that better myself ,thats exactly what what my hubbys friend is all about ,he took is work force to dublin last year for the weekend ,stayed at the burlington hotel ,they are of to benidorm on there next jolly up ..some people hay , one good thing tho hubby goes too. We would charter a plane & take all the employees and their families to Spain for long weekend a couple of times a year - until it was decided that it was a very high risk. In future we were only allowed to fly commercial with a maximum of 34% of the employees in any one plane & with management spread across the 3 planes - thus hoping that should the worst happen the company would still be in a position to function (of sorts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haza Posted June 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 thanks mike again its not about any profit or the like .if he did go ahead with is idea ,he would more then like just plonk it in a marina .and leave it there for any one to use it such as people he knows , or work for him .like i said rich mans toys and all that .hes just working class whos done good but as never forgot is friends .take my hubby he dont have a pot to piss in ,still good mates tho ,nothing may never come of this .but i would not bet against it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dor Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Quote ,and comes to my boat often .we were chatting and he came out and said if he had a boat he would have this he would have that And how many times have we heard of people re-designing the wheel and then find what they have is unsaleable... Whitfield mentioned elsewhere is a good example of how to lose a large amount of money because the owner thought he knew better than all the experienced boaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haza Posted June 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 it was more or less said off the cuff ,over a pint . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) The thing that seems odd to me is that he wants to play at designing and fitting a boat out, which is fine and would be fun. But he doesn't seem to actually want to do any of it himself - he's got his tradesmen to do all the work. In the current climate that's a really good thing as he'll be keeping people in work, but I can't really see what he gets out of it? Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking it in the slightest, I just don't see where the pleasure lies in it for him? Is it just the designing, and seeing if it works? After all, most of the satisfaction in any DIY project is looking at it proudly after you dunnit. Edited June 21, 2020 by Arthur Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haza Posted June 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 arthur nor do i ,but we are all different ,he would not get is workforce on it .they earn him is money to do such follys , and thats it really its just play really, if he goes along with it and it works fine ,if it dont work thats also fine ,just like saying why do people climb everest .some people do .but theres a lot more that dont ..if you get my jist .anyway i got what i needed topic over as far as saleaways go .now you can all go back to the perils of lockdown ,lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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