Esox Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Hello All Trying to locate the 14 or so Brumtugs built by Brummagem Boats back in the 1980,s there was a lot of posts here regarding them around 2011/14 At the time I owned the Brumtug Nuthatch formally Beaver and I now own the first Tug built Trelease but now named Esox A small group of us have formed a facebook group specifically aimed at research and finding these great little boats and who knows maybe get a few of them together at some point in the future Any help much appreciated Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Welcome to the forum, and good luck in your quest. As Brummagem Boats is a fairly well known name, I am surprised to learn that they built so few boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilllearning Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 51 minutes ago, Esox said: Hello All Trying to locate the 14 or so Brumtugs built by Brummagem Boats back in the 1980,s there was a lot of posts here regarding them around 2011/14 At the time I owned the Brumtug Nuthatch formally Beaver and I now own the first Tug built Trelease but now named Esox A small group of us have formed a facebook group specifically aimed at research and finding these great little boats and who knows maybe get a few of them together at some point in the future Any help much appreciated Alan It would be good to know where Ibis is now, it was the first narrow boat me and my then wife used extensively in the 80s and 90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Athy said: Welcome to the forum, and good luck in your quest. As Brummagem Boats is a fairly well known name, I am surprised to learn that they built so few boats. The Brumtug was a specific class of short boats built by BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardang Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 55 minutes ago, Esox said: Hello All Trying to locate the 14 or so Brumtugs built by Brummagem Boats back in the 1980,s there was a lot of posts here regarding them around 2011/14 At the time I owned the Brumtug Nuthatch formally Beaver and I now own the first Tug built Trelease but now named Esox A small group of us have formed a facebook group specifically aimed at research and finding these great little boats and who knows maybe get a few of them together at some point in the future Any help much appreciated Alan Hi Alan Have a look in the search box at the top of the page. I remember that there have been a number of postings over the years about Brummagem Boats and Brumtugs including copies of their brochure. You may be able to find what you are looking for. Cheers Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Tim Lewis said: The Brumtug was a specific class of short boats built by BB Yes, so I gather. Did they build other boats as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovingrom Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Stilllearning said: It would be good to know where Ibis is now, it was the first narrow boat me and my then wife used extensively in the 80s and 90s As it happens I can tell you almost exactly where Ibis is now! She is on Apollo Duck currently for sale, having recently been extensively restored, refitted and repainted. Location shows only as "Oxfordshire". Along with Esox above, I am the founder of the new Facebook "BrumTug" group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2333300103642367). 2 days ago I posted a copy of the sale advert to the group but the owner/seller asked me to remove it (no idea why), which I have now done. I will just post the advert photo here. If anyone is interested and can't find the advert on Apollo Duck (try a search for "Brummagen" with an "N") let me know and I'll direct you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tim Lewis said: 3 minutes ago, rovingrom said: As it happens I can tell you almost exactly where Ibis is now! She is on Apollo Duck currently for sale, having recently been extensively restored, refitted and repainted. Location shows only as "Oxfordshire". Along with Esox above, I am the founder of the new Facebook "BrumTug" group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2333300103642367). 2 days ago I posted a copy of the sale advert to the group but the owner/seller asked me to remove it (no idea why), which I have now done. I will just post the advert photo here. If anyone is interested and can't find the advert on Apollo Duck (try a search for "Brummagen" with an "N") let me know and I'll direct you. So the company was BrummageN, not BrummageM? Or is that "gen" as in "information"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovingrom Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, howardang said: Hi Alan Have a look in the search box at the top of the page. I remember that there have been a number of postings over the years about Brummagem Boats and Brumtugs including copies of their brochure. You may be able to find what you are looking for. Cheers Howard Thanks Howard! As Alan said, there were a number of posts here around 2011/2014, including a number by Alan himself when he was owner of BrumTug BEAVER. We have been through all those posts and archived the details found there, including the original sales brochure. However we are hoping to find the current whereabouts of as many of this small fleet as possible, with a view to producing a detailed fleet list. Being that they were built in the 1980's many have been lengthened, refitted, and/or renamed, so that their originally distinctive BrumTug features are now more difficult to identify. There were only ever 13 (or maybe 14.... and then some people say 15!) genuine BrumTugs built and we have located 7 of them. We're hoping that other members on this Forum will know of a few more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovingrom Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Athy said: No, the company was Brummagem, as in the colloquial name for "Brimingham". However for some reason many owners of their boats seem to be unable to spell...... In addition the listings at CanalPlan give a range of spellings: Brummagen, Brumagen, Brumagem, Brumajem, etc. In our research we learnt quickly to check as many variations as we could imagine possible! The Apollo Duck listing for IBIS is under "Brummagen" (N) as stated above!! The photos below prove the correct spelling of the name. I worked a season with Brummagem in 1976 or 77 (before the BrumTugs era) and I can confirm the owners of the company knew how to spell! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, rovingrom said: No, the company was Brummagem, as in the colloquial name for "Brimingham". However for some reason many owners of their boats seem to be unable to spell...... In addition the listings at CanalPlan give a range of spellings: Brummagen, Brumagen, Brumagem, Brumajem, etc. In our research we learnt quickly to check as many variations as we could imagine possible! The Apollo Duck listing for IBIS is under "Brummagen" (N) as stated above!! The photos below prove the correct spelling of the name. I worked a season with Brummagem in 1976 or 77 (before the BrumTugs era) and I can confirm the owners of the company knew how to spell! Definitely Brummagem, We had many holidays from Brummagem Boats in the early 1980's, The BCN was an 'interesting' place to boat in those days with rules on which bridge arch to use and arriving at locks expecting the pound above the next lock to be empty ? Edited June 13, 2020 by Tim Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovingrom Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, Athy said: Yes, so I gather. Did they build other boats as well? Not many we think, although it gets confusing because they went into partnership with the Alvechurch Boat Centre who had an extensive hire fleet. I suspect that very few hulls/shells were built by Brummagem themselves but it looks like a lot of the fitting out of their hire fleet boats, as well as a number of private orders, were done by Brummagem at their Sherborne Street wharf base. There are reported to have been just 13 BrumTugs, although there is confusion because #14 appears twice - it has been suggested they didn't want to produce a #13 - and we also know of a boat claimed to be BrumTug15 !! 1 minute ago, Tim Lewis said: Definitely Brummagem, We had many holidays from Brummagem Boats in the early 1980's, The BCN was an 'interesting' place to boat in those days with rules on which bridge arch to use and arriving at locks expecting the pound above the next lock to be empty ? Nice photo on the Ryders Green 8 locks! Do you recall which boat that was Tim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, howardang said: Have a look in the search box at the top of the page. It's a bit bust at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovingrom Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, WotEver said: It's a bit bust at present. You mean the search box is not working?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, rovingrom said: You mean the search box is not working?? It wasn't working yesterday although it may have been fixed since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, rovingrom said: Not many we think, although it gets confusing because they went into partnership with the Alvechurch Boat Centre who had an extensive hire fleet. I suspect that very few hulls/shells were built by Brummagem themselves but it looks like a lot of the fitting out of their hire fleet boats, as well as a number of private orders, were done by Brummagem at their Sherborne Street wharf base. There are reported to have been just 13 BrumTugs, although there is confusion because #14 appears twice - it has been suggested they didn't want to produce a #13 - and we also know of a boat claimed to be BrumTug15 !! Nice photo on the Ryders Green 8 locks! Do you recall which boat that was Tim? It was Beauty, we also had a second boast, Beau, for the undesirable crew ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovingrom Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tim Lewis said: It was Beauty, we also had a second boast, Beau, for the undesirable crew ? Undesirable crew?? Not sure what that might infer but clearly they were without the "TY" (or tea?)!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, rovingrom said: Undesirable crew?? Not sure what that might infer but clearly they were without the "TY" (or tea?)!! Beau (Brummel) and Beauty at the top of Ryders Green, November 1985. As it was light I assume that it was for a lunchtime stop at the now defunct Eight Locks pub Edited June 13, 2020 by Tim Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovingrom Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tim Lewis said: Beau (Brummel) and Beauty at the top of Ryders Green, November 1985. As it was light I assume that it was a lunchtime pub stop at the now defunct Eight Locks pub Nice! I was there with my boat in April last year and certainly the pub was gone. I agree that the BCN is fascinating and deserves to be explored much more widely! (Both photos - Ryders Green Locks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esox Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Athy said: Welcome to the forum, and good luck in your quest. As Brummagem Boats is a fairly well known name, I am surprised to learn that they built so few boats. Thanks for the welcome Brummagem built a good quantity of boats but only 14 or so tugs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, rovingrom said: Nice! I was there with my boat in April last year and certainly the pub was gone. I agree that the BCN is fascinating and deserves to be explored much more widely! (Both photos - Ryders Green Locks). The pub building (and sign) are still extant so there is hope yet ? From 2019 Edited June 13, 2020 by Tim Lewis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustynewbery Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 I see to recall there was one named Querqus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, rustynewbery said: I see to recall there was one named Querqus? There was - a lovely little thing when in her heyday; she was our first foray onto the BCN. Fond memories. Desperate Dan's cow pie, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovingrom Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Sea Dog said: There was - a lovely little thing when in her heyday; she was our first foray onto the BCN. Fond memories. Desperate Dan's cow pie, anyone? 4 hours ago, rustynewbery said: I see to recall there was one named Querqus? Well now - interesting that you should both mention Quercus (or Querqus). Esox, who started this thread, and I, have been researching BrumTugs for a few weeks (only) and have Quercus down on our list with several question marks. Another authority on Brummagem Boats and BrumTugs didn't know about Quercus. So rustynewbery and Sea Dog - can you tell us any more? Do you know the boat or it's present location, or do you have other connections with it? Do you know if it has/had a traditional back cabin? Sea Dog - did you hire Quercus or own it? What are those fond memories?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scholar Gypsy Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, rovingrom said: Well now - interesting that you should both mention Quercus (or Querqus). Esox, who started this thread, and I, have been researching BrumTugs for a few weeks (only) and have Quercus down on our list with several question marks. Another authority on Brummagem Boats and BrumTugs didn't know about Quercus. So rustynewbery and Sea Dog - can you tell us any more? Do you know the boat or it's present location, or do you have other connections with it? Do you know if it has/had a traditional back cabin? Sea Dog - did you hire Quercus or own it? What are those fond memories?? A bit of a long shot, I assume this is a different QUERCUS to that owned by Pat Barton, who sadly died last year. I have fond memories of meeting her (and her boat) as part of the Jubilee Pageant in 2012, I am sure I can find a photo, and there was an article about the boat in one of the waterway magazines not too long ago. https://www.waterways.org.uk/lichfield/news/2019_news Edited June 14, 2020 by Scholar Gypsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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