Someone untied my ropes

[Mike on the Wey]

15 hours ago, LadyG said:

Obviously it is a criminal offence to interfere with mooring ropes.

Which particular piece of legislation applies here?

[Alan de Enfield]

12 minutes ago, Mike on the Wey said:

Which particular piece of legislation applies here?

The "Interference With Mooring Ropes Act 2020".

 

Recently enacted to apply to specific parts of Yorkshire only.

[Cheese]

2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

In which case I loop the eye over my on-board cleat, take the line around the shore bollard then back onto the boat and tie it off on the cleat.

 

An eye-spice on one end and a back-splice on the other end and all options are catered for.

But most canal boats have one end of their mooring lines permanently tied off, and don't want the faff of swapping them around, possibly multiple times a day.  And an eye-splice on the free end when moving through locks is more likely to catch on something.

[Alan de Enfield]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

But most canal boats have one end of their mooring lines permanently tied off, and don't want the faff of swapping them around, possibly multiple times a day.  And an eye-splice on the free end when moving through locks is more likely to catch on something.

 

Do they really ?

That sounds a dangerous practice - what happens when the coil 'falls off' ?

Do they coil them up and hang them on the tiller or drop it into the well deck ?

[system 4-50]

I only undid her rope to see if I was fit to do some cruising.

[ditchcrawler]

32 minutes ago, Cheese said:

But most canal boats have one end of their mooring lines permanently tied off, and don't want the faff of swapping them around, possibly multiple times a day.  And an eye-splice on the free end when moving through locks is more likely to catch on something.

But it doesn't matter if it catches anything, you just let go of it. If its attached to your boat and it catches on something then you hang up

 

[Sea Dog]

5 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

On bollards I tend to run back to the boat

What, to get the missus to sort it out for you?  

[LadyG]

7 hours ago, Mike on the Wey said:

Which particular piece of legislation applies here?

I seem to think a Sgt MacIntosh of Strathclyde Police told our skipper, after our yacht was cast adrift from a  mooring bouy , at 1.00 am, there was a helluva rumpus, it was all witnessed by the RN as the submarine exercises were taking place. Their support ships had  radar and night vision. Someone called the Lifeboat,  one guy fell in while carryng a kedge, an interesting experience, but somewhat disorienting.

 

Edited May 26, 2020 by LadyG

[ditchcrawler]

25 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I seem to think a Sgt MacIntosh of Strathclyde Police told our skipper, after our yacht was cast adrift from a  mooring bouy , at 1.00 am, there was a helluva rumpus, it was all witnessed by the RN as the submarine exercises were taking place. Their support ships had  radar and night vision. Someone called the Lifeboat,  one guy fell in while carryng a kedge, an interesting experience, but somewhat disorienting.

 

Set adrift, not retied with a different knot then

[Naughty Cal]

I'm sure the Royal Navy will be on a submarine in Yorkshire waiting for the boat to come adrift ???

[Joe Bourke]

There are some people who shouldn't be using ropes at all if they moor within say 100 metres of anyone else.  A padlock and chain would be a more appropriate set-up.  What am I saying? ?.  Even i who never upsets anyone (?)  has one of them lockable plastic covered cables about 5 metres long for when mooring somewhere dodgy.

 

Also, if I moor on say a diesel point outside a marine, or even adjacent to it for a couple of days,  I would fully expect lines to be occasionally disturbed.

 

 

[blackrose]

On 25/05/2020 at 23:30, LadyG said:

 

Obviously it is a criminal offence to interfere with mooring ropes.

Just sayin'

jo

 

Criminal offence? Which law is that then?

 

Just sayin'?  I think you mean just talking bollox again.

[Athy]

On 25/05/2020 at 23:30, LadyG said:

 

Obviously it is a criminal offence to interfere with mooring ropes.

 

It may not be obvious to everybody, particularly if we substitute the less emotive "adjust" for "interfere with".

[Dr Bob]

Why not anchor instead?

[Keeping Up]

I believe that technically it is an offence against the Merchant Shipping Act (which is loosely written enough that it  would still apply even though clearly we are not talking about merchant shipping) to untie a vessel without authorisation. However I couldn't quote chapter and verse, nor do I have a link to it.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Keeping Up
Clarification

[LadyG]

1 hour ago, Keeping Up said:

I believe that technically it is an offence against the Merchant Shipping Act (which is loosely written enough that it  would still apply even though clearly we are not talking about merchant shipping) to untie a vessel without authorisation. However I couldn't quote chapter and verse, nor do I have a link to it.

That's the one, circa 1880, I think.

PS, I was stimulating intersting threads not accusing neighbours of cutting my ropes. I puzzled about it for a while, as I knew it was not I who untied the bowline, and then used a round turn and half hitch which later came undone, the only explanation is that he did not know how to tie a bowline, though why he had to undo the existing one is a bit of a mystery.

2 hours ago, Athy said:

It may not be obvious to everybody, particularly if we substitute the less emotive "adjust" for "interfere with".

Yes, I should be clearer, if you are going to adjust someone elses's mooring lines, don't leave the boat less secure than it was, it was not done deliberately.

Edited May 27, 2020 by LadyG

[LadyG]

2 hours ago, Joe Bourke said:

There are some people who shouldn't be using ropes at all if they moor within say 100 metres of anyone else.  A padlock and chain would be a more appropriate set-up.  What am I saying? ?.  Even i who never upsets anyone (?)  has one of them lockable plastic covered cables about 5 metres long for when mooring somewhere dodgy.

 

Also, if I moor on say a diesel point outside a marine, or even adjacent to it for a couple of days,  I would fully expect lines to be occasionally disturbed.

 

 

If you are told to moor on the diesel mooring on the advice of the marina owner/CRT, then that is exactly what you would do rather that risk pulling up pins in a F5 or when a big vessel passes by. To be honest, I would want to be 100% secure on any commercial waterway, no point in crossing fingers and toes.

I do have a wire rope for securing stuff on roof , or mooring if leaving boat unatended in a dodgy area, and some fat padlocks for the Gas/anchor locks.

I don't mind mooring lines beng disturbed, for whatever reason, if people are going to do that, please don't leave the boat insecure! That is  the point!

 

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by LadyG

[LadyG]

2 hours ago, blackrose said:

 

Criminal offence? Which law is that then?

 

Just sayin'?  I think you mean just talking bollox again.

Well, perhaps, splash of hyperbole, is that not allowed on here ? 

Maybe I should post elesewhere, as they tend to be a bit more accepting, woof YAP woof  [imitating a Transylvanian dog fox in January]

Edited May 27, 2020 by LadyG

[Naughty Cal]

10 minutes ago, LadyG said:

If you are told to moor on the diesel mooring on the advice of the marina owner/CRT, then that is exactly what you would do rather that risk pulling up pins in a F5 or when a big vessel passes by. To be honest, I would want to be 100% secure on any commercial waterway, no point in crossing fingers and toes.

I do have a wire rope for securing stuff on roof , or mooring if leaving boat unatended in a dodgy area, and some fat padlocks for the Gas/anchor locks.

I don't mind mooring lines beng disturbed, for whatever reason, if people are going to do that, please don't leave the boat insecure! That is  the point!

 

 

It wasn't insecure at the point they left it!!

[howardang]

3 hours ago, Naughty Cal said:

I'm sure the Royal Navy will be on a submarine in Yorkshire waiting for the boat to come adrift ???

Not Royal Navy but was standing by in Leeds Dock, next to the Armouries Museum waiting for the call!

 

Howard

[Naughty Cal]

1 minute ago, howardang said:

Not Royal Navy but was standing by in Leeds Dock, next to the Armouries Museum waiting for the call!

 

Howard

That thing deserved sinking, with the pratt onboard!

[LadyG]

24 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said:

It wasn't insecure at the point they left it!!

well, that's a moot point ...... yes, i see your point ?

I look on my springs as a sort of "dampening" factor, so that the main bow and stern lines don't get the full force of the wind in gusty conditions. 

[Cheese]

33 minutes ago, LadyG said:

...I don't mind mooring lines beng disturbed, for whatever reason, if people are going to do that, please don't leave the boat insecure! That is  the point!

But from what you have said, you don't know if it is one person involved, who both untied and then retied your line; or one person leaving it adrift and a second securing it to the best of their ability - who should be applauded, not castigated.

[ditchcrawler]

5 minutes ago, howardang said:

Not Royal Navy but was standing by in Leeds Dock, next to the Armouries Museum waiting for the call!

 

Howard

And got his offside fenders down

[LadyG]

2 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said:

That thing deserved sinking, with the pratt onboard!

You don't like quirkyness?

I can just see the commander staning in the conning tower with a nice "Kiss me Quick" style naval admiral's cap.