Lockdown ? What Lockdown?

[Detling]

1 hour ago, mrsmelly said:

I have caught macherel and had it on a grill in less than 5 minutes. We used to catch hundreds over the side of the Gray funnel liners I was on. My best recolection though was taking Temeraire a 36 foot nicholson across from Guzz to St Peter port one sunny afternoon with 3 mates. We just threw a line over the arse end and pulled mackrel in every throw. Smacked em on the head and gutted and put on the little grill in less than 5 minutes. Fresh as a daisy and a great starter before plenty of beer in St Peter Port for the weekend. 

Totally agree if it is flapping when it hits the pan it is the best. I used to do similar in the Bristol channel, on trip from Barry to Ilfracombe we caught and ate our fill and had several mackeral left in a bucket. We thought we could give these to fellow yachties in Ilfreacombe, but everone had thought the same. We ended up feeding some to a seagull who perched on the boom and swallowed 3. When he felt full he stretched his wings, gave a few hard flaps, and splashed down into the harbour.  We watched the seagull swimming round for a few hours, but he did have a grin on his face.

[tree monkey]

Its difficult isn't it?

There is an awful lot of woo out there, some might have a positive effect maybe real, maybe placebo, what makes it worse is that those who we normally trust to keep us healthy don't know how to treat it yet, eventually they will but until then people are worried.

 

I'm personally not a fan of supplements without medical advice but if it helps an individual and does no harm who am I to judge, I do think we need to be careful when making suggestions.

 

But really I'm just a knackered old monkey easily ignored 

 

Anyway the following makes me laugh and is not directed at anyone 

 

 

 

[Mike Todd]

2 hours ago, WotEver said:

Indeed. A distinction that appears to be missed by many. 

I've never managed to see the merit in showing graphs comparing the total number of deaths/cases in various countries when their populations varying considerably. Population rates would be much better.

1 hour ago, TheBiscuits said:

 

If you wish to take lots of supplements because you believe it is good for you, feel free.  Nobody is suggesting you are not allowed to do so.

 

If you have some massive insight that really will make a huge difference, then share it with Public Health or the NHS - they are getting quite tired of losing a thousand people a day. 

 

If it's just a feeling you have then please stop giving medical advice on how to survive CoViD-19.

That's a bit OTT (IMHO)

[mrsmelly]

42 minutes ago, tree monkey said:

Its difficult isn't it?

There is an awful lot of woo out there, some might have a positive effect maybe real, maybe placebo, what makes it worse is that those who we normally trust to keep us healthy don't know how to treat it yet, eventually they will but until then people are worried.

 

I'm personally not a fan of supplements without medical advice but if it helps an individual and does no harm who am I to judge, I do think we need to be careful when making suggestions.

 

But really I'm just a knackered old monkey easily ignored 

 

Anyway the following makes me laugh and is not directed at anyone 

 

 

 

You are correct. I wouldn't take any supplement whatsoever without direct advice from my gp or specialist. A megga high calcium level was killing me and combined with nsaids has destroyed my kidneys, well not quite destroyed but I am at stage 4 with stage 5 being kidney failure. Two operations saved me and an NHS dietician has been assigned for me, she is awesome and rings me after my very often taken blood tests as does my nephrologist and previously the endocrinologist who did my first op. Supplements are a multi billion pound industry and more often than not a con. Do not take anything without proper advice. If the body is working correctly and you have a balanced non gimmick diet non of its needed. 

[Mike Hurley]

23 hours ago, mrsmelly said:

My missus eats quite a bit of salmon, especialy ont barby. I have to say I find it orrible, I only eat proper white fish with batter on 

I bet that batter makes a right mess on the barbie

[Guest]

Police guidlines on social distancing released.

 

Probably adds to the confusion rather than helps though.

 

BBC News - Coronavirus lockdown: Police guidelines give 'reasonable excuses' to go out
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52312560

 

Full document here.

 

https://tinyurl.com/y8wfkf3w

Edited April 16, 2020 by The Happy Nomad

[Cheshire cat]

3 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

That doesn't affect the percentage of males dying compared to the percentage of females dying, once they've caught it. Which was the point being made IIRC.

 

 

 

It could do. If men are more mobile and a larger pool of them contract the virus then it's quite possible that the percentage of people dying from CV could be 66% of the total simply because of a larger number of male infections.

 

If the point attempting to be made is that a greater percentage of infected males die than infected females then that is different. Someone suggested today that ONS should be capturing BMI data for fatalities. Nice idea but I think NHS staff have probably got better things. Chris Witty has just said they're not clear why more males are dying 

[WotEver]

25 minutes ago, Mike Todd said:

I've never managed to see the merit in showing graphs comparing the total number of deaths/cases in various countries when their populations varying considerably.

Agreed. But that’s not quite the same as saying “If you are a man who catches COVID-19 you are twice as likely to die than you would be if you were a woman.”  And that’s the subject that was being discussed. 

2 minutes ago, Cheshire cat said:

If the point attempting to be made is that a greater percentage of infected males die than infected females...

Yes, that is exactly the point under discussion. 

[Cheshire cat]

5 minutes ago, WotEver said:

Agreed. But that’s not quite the same as saying “If you are a man who catches COVID-19 you are twice as likely to die than you would be if you were a woman.”  And that’s the subject that was being discussed. 

Yes, that is exactly the point under discussion. 

Thankyou for clarifying. 

My gut feel is that we're nowhere near as good at looking after ourselves compared with females. Bravado and stubborness comes to the fore when visiting a doctor is mentioned. 

[mrsmelly]

8 minutes ago, Cheshire cat said:

Thankyou for clarifying. 

My gut feel is that we're nowhere near as good at looking after ourselves compared with females. Bravado and stubborness comes to the fore when visiting a doctor is mentioned. 

You are right, blokes are pretty crap at looking after ourselves. I think much of it is we are lucky from day one in that nothing much realy changes for us over the years, unlike women who have all the women type stuff to put up with for years, then the menopause which for many is bloody awful and of course the biggy of sprogg dropping. So all in all they become more accustomed than chaps at going to the quacks.

[Jennifer McM]

So we've got another 3 weeks on lock down. Personally this doesn't really bother me all that much, but it's sad for those who're finding it hard.

 

I hear New York has been locked down for another 3 weeks, until 15th May. 

 

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Oh dear! What a shame...... never mind!

 

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Serves him right! Hoarder profiting from coronavirus refused refund for 4,800 toilet rolls

A SHOPPER has been shamed for requesting a refund on 4,800 toilet rolls and 150 litres of hand sanitiser after he bought the products to sell on for a profit before his selfish plan backfired and he was left with unneeded items.

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Jennifer McM

[roland elsdon]

I was out cycling home from dropping a prescription to a isolated friend  at about 5 pm.
It appeared from the motorists behaviours that  the lock down was over and the road rules were suspended.

Poor lady went out for the first time shopping last week and was roundly abused in sainsburys for going shopping with her husband. She has dystrophy  in a chair, and he is blind. They are slow as she points and he gathers, then pushes chair, and then trolley.

Yes it was in the vulnerable hour but they got caught from the rear by the impatient.

They now dont want to go out at all.

Very sad behaviours being exhibited.

[matty40s]

3 minutes ago, roland elsdon said:

I was out cycling home from dropping a prescription to a isolated friend  at about 5 pm.
It appeared from the motorists behaviours that  the lock down was over and the road rules were suspended.

 

We were saying earlier, the A5 has been as busy as a "normal" day today.....constant traffic, which has come as an unwelcome intrusion to our peace. No problem on motorway to be seen.

[tree monkey]

6 minutes ago, matty40s said:

We were saying earlier, the A5 has been as busy as a "normal" day today.....constant traffic, which has come as an unwelcome intrusion to our peace. No problem on motorway to be seen.

The motorways are busier that last week but still quite compared to normal, Brum is still very quiet, it is going to be a real shock when it goes back to normal 

[mrsmelly]

Trump keeps being slated in the media but at present they are doing much better than most of us this side of the pond so it remains to be seen how it pans out? At present they have 30k deaths out of 330 million, a damn site better than many of the countries in Europe and we are doing. 

[Richard10002]

3 hours ago, Jennifer McM said:

I'm not though. I'd never dream of doing that and I'm sorry you'd think that.

 

I'm merely pointing to a possibility. It's up to you, and others to research. Would you really deny people the knowledge of taking something that's relatively innocuous, and which could help?

 

There's a video I posted on another thread from a doctor...... this is information you can take, or leave. It's your free will.

The fact is that this bit of the thread was trying to guess why women may have a better chance of survival, once infected. You merely threw something into the mix, and were definitely not attempting to give medical advice.

 

Having said that, there are a lot of medical professionals on Youtube talking about Vitamin D being good for the immune system, so there could be something in what you say.

 

My wife takes Calcichew, which seems to have some Vitamin D in it, as well as the calcium so, hopefully, her Vitamin D levels will be fine. 

[Jennifer McM]

1 hour ago, roland elsdon said:

I was out cycling home from dropping a prescription to a isolated friend  at about 5 pm.
It appeared from the motorists behaviours that  the lock down was over and the road rules were suspended.

Poor lady went out for the first time shopping last week and was roundly abused in sainsburys for going shopping with her husband. She has dystrophy  in a chair, and he is blind. They are slow as she points and he gathers, then pushes chair, and then trolley.

Yes it was in the vulnerable hour but they got caught from the rear by the impatient.

They now dont want to go out at all.

Very sad behaviours being exhibited.

COVID19 certainly is bringing out the best in people, but unfortunately it's bringing out the worse! Sorry for your friends experience.

Edited April 16, 2020 by Jennifer McM

[Richard10002]

2 hours ago, The Happy Nomad said:

Police guidlines on social distancing released.

 

Probably adds to the confusion rather than helps though.

 

BBC News - Coronavirus lockdown: Police guidelines give 'reasonable excuses' to go out
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52312560

 

Full document here.

 

https://tinyurl.com/y8wfkf3w

 

 

The BBC article makes a rather subjective deduction here:

 

"On exercise, the guidance lists driving to the countryside for a walk as "reasonable" if "far more time" is spent walking than driving.But it adds that driving for a "prolonged period with only brief exercise" is not reasonable.

 

That would appear to indicate that someone who drove for an hour to a beauty spot for a walk would not be contravening the rules."

My bold and underline.

 

[roland elsdon]

22 minutes ago, matty40s said:

We were saying earlier, the A5 has been as busy as a "normal" day today.....constant traffic, which has come as an unwelcome intrusion to our peace. No problem on motorway to be seen.

I have used the A 5 north of weedon a couple of times in the last 10 days,  rather than just cross it. It and the A45 were very busy when I crossed them. Neither are roads I have ridden on since the 90s.

A45 used to be my ride to work when we had the boats at Stowhill and I worked at St Crispins, not now.

[Richard10002]

1 hour ago, Cheshire cat said:

 

If the point attempting to be made is that a greater percentage of infected males die than infected females then that is different.

I think that is the point being made in this bit of the thread  

[Guest]

34 minutes ago, roland elsdon said:

I was out cycling home from dropping a prescription to a isolated friend  at about 5 pm.
It appeared from the motorists behaviours that  the lock down was over and the road rules were suspended.

Poor lady went out for the first time shopping last week and was roundly abused in sainsburys for going shopping with her husband. She has dystrophy  in a chair, and he is blind. They are slow as she points and he gathers, then pushes chair, and then trolley.

Yes it was in the vulnerable hour but they got caught from the rear by the impatient.

They now dont want to go out at all.

Very sad behaviours being exhibited.

Unfortunately some people seem to have appointed themselves as the unofficial 'social distance police'.

 

That said I did get a tad annoyed with another shopper in Aldi the other day who reached over me whilst I was crouched down trying to find something on the bottom shelf which was buried at the back.

[Richard10002]

23 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Trump keeps being slated in the media but at present they are doing much better than most of us this side of the pond so it remains to be seen how it pans out? At present they have 30k deaths out of 330 million, a damn site better than many of the countries in Europe and we are doing. 

If they had 64k deaths, they would be at roughly the same rate as the UK, (based on reported numbers).

[MtB]

4 hours ago, TheBiscuits said:

If you wish to take lots of supplements because you believe it is good for you, feel free.  Nobody is suggesting you are not allowed to do so.

 

If you have some massive insight that really will make a huge difference, then share it with Public Health or the NHS - they are getting quite tired of losing a thousand people a day. 

 

The NHS advises everyone to consider taking a vitamin D supplement during winter.

 

From nhs.gov.uk:

 

Advice for adults and children over 5 years old

During the autumn and winter, you need to get vitamin D from your diet because the sun isn't strong enough for the body to make vitamin D.

But since it's difficult for people to get enough vitamin D from food alone, everyone (including pregnant and breastfeeding women) should consider taking a daily supplement containing 10 micrograms of vitamin D during the autumn and winter.

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/

 

There is reams of stuff on the net by qualified people suggesting  vitamin D is something take great care you get enough of, starting with the NHS above and cascading down from there. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jennifer McM]

8 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

The NHS advises everyone to consider taking a vitamin D supplement during winter.

 

From nhs.gov.uk:

 

Advice for adults and children over 5 years old

During the autumn and winter, you need to get vitamin D from your diet because the sun isn't strong enough for the body to make vitamin D.

But since it's difficult for people to get enough vitamin D from food alone, everyone (including pregnant and breastfeeding women) should consider taking a daily supplement containing 10 micrograms of vitamin D during the autumn and winter.

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/

 

There is reams of stuff on the net by qualified people suggesting  vitamin D is something take great care you get enough of, starting with the NHS above and cascading down from there. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I couldn't possibly comment ? ? {sorry - joke}

Edited April 16, 2020 by Jennifer McM

[mrsmelly]

7 minutes ago, Richard10002 said:

If they had 64k deaths, they would be at roughly the same rate as the UK, (based on reported numbers).

Yes, I know Trump is a nutter but having a go at him at present doesnt hold water. the US are doing far better than we are. Stating they have the biggest number of deaths is bunkum when the figures are looked at.