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8 minutes ago, alias said:

 

 

 

As well as use by teenagers and young adults it is in common use amongst those who work in information security, and provide advice on maintaining one's privacy when using the internet.

So, specialised professional jargon, then? That's probably why I had never heard of it.

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1 minute ago, Athy said:

So, specialised professional jargon, then? That's probably why I had never heard of it.

 

I would suggest that it is also widely known amongst those people who for workplace or personal reasons have looked at guidance on maintaining their internet security and privacy.

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CWDF doesn't exist in isolation. It's just one small corner of the Web. If you use it enough you will find that what looks like jargon is the native language of the netizen. The example I gave above, "pwned" originated from one person missing the "O" on their keyboard and hitting the "P" by mistake. Now "pwned" has become the term for one who has been demolished in argument. 

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19 minutes ago, Sir Nibble said:

CWDF doesn't exist in isolation. It's just one small corner of the Web. If you use it enough you will find that what looks like jargon is the native language of the netizen. The example I gave above, "pwned" originated from one person missing the "O" on their keyboard and hitting the "P" by mistake. Now "pwned" has become the term for one who has been demolished in argument. 

I assumed it was a misprint, yes; but what connection does "owned" have with losing an argument?

I use the internet quite extensively but had never come across any of the jargon terms quoted above until now. It's always instructive to learn new vocabulary, though I doubt that I'll be using any of them.

 

Incidentally, how would you pronounce "pwned"? It looks as if it should be a Polish word; "pwund" perhaps?

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8 minutes ago, Athy said:

I assumed it was a misprint, yes; but what connection does "owned" have with losing an argument?

I use the internet quite extensively but had never come across any of the jargon terms quoted above until now. It's always instructive to learn new vocabulary, though I doubt that I'll be using any of them.

The loser, and they need to have been pretty spectacularly shot down, is said to have been "owned". Don't ask me, I still think "amazing" requires someone to be amazed so I'm no lexicographer.

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17 minutes ago, David Mack said:

Or something that is "awesome" (or "o'som" as my son's American family say it) to fill one with awe.

The misuse of "literally" tops the lot.

It literally makes my blood boil

Whoops.

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16 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

Remember when someone posted they had rinsed their batteries 

 

 

That reminds me of the story .....................

 

A Blonde went into the chemist and purchased some shampoo, an hour later she was back at the chemists with soaking wet hair shouting "quick I want more shampoo", the lady on the counter said "that last bottle should have lasted you months, what happened to it", to which the Blonde said, "I just followed the instructions - wet hair, add shampoo, rub into hair, rinse and repeat"

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3 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

That reminds me of the story .....................

 

A Blonde went into the chemist and purchased some shampoo, an hour later she was back at the chemists with soaking wet hair shouting "quick I want more shampoo", the lady on the counter said "that last bottle should have lasted you months, what happened to it", to which the Blonde said, "I just followed the instructions - wet hair, add shampoo, rub into hair, rinse and repeat"

I await the replies you get

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2 hours ago, Athy said:

I assumed it was a misprint, yes; but what connection does "owned" have with losing an argument?

I use the internet quite extensively but had never come across any of the jargon terms quoted above until now. It's always instructive to learn new vocabulary, though I doubt that I'll be using any of them.

 

Incidentally, how would you pronounce "pwned"? It looks as if it should be a Polish word; "pwund" perhaps?

You don't pronounce it. It's a typo🤣

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5 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

I'm with Athy on this - I have no idea what is being talked about.

I am with both of you.  I looked it up and it still not really sure I understand it, it seems designed to make typing things in more difficult than necessary.

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I'm still puzzled by this word "doxxing"; I can see no earthly reason for it to have two x's. Is its verb "to dox" or "to doxx"?

I've been trying to think of any proper English word which has a double x, but in vain.

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19 minutes ago, Athy said:

I'm still puzzled by this word "doxxing"; I can see no earthly reason for it to have two x's. Is its verb "to dox" or "to doxx"?

I've been trying to think of any proper English word which has a double x, but in vain.

 

The OED identifies dox or doxing as the standard forms, with the xx versions as variant spellings. Not that it helps much.

 

ETA: Curiously the noun "doxing" does not have an xx version (at least as far as the OED is concerned). 

 

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15 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

I can't remember the last time I sat down and read a dictionary 

 

Me neither, and the dictionary I have on a shelf dates from schooldays in the 70s, but today I spotted that my local library card number gets me full access to the OED online.

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3 hours ago, Athy said:

I'm still puzzled by this word "doxxing"; I can see no earthly reason for it to have two x's. Is its verb "to dox" or "to doxx"?

I've been trying to think of any proper English word which has a double x, but in vain.

 

You clearly subscribe to the prescriptive theory of language, which seeks to impose its own set of rules. Descriptive language theory OTOH, describes how language is actually used in real life, e.g vaxxer, doxxer. But teachers wouldn't know about that would they, unless they were English teachers being awkward... ;)

 

More here:

https://www.thoughtco.com/prescriptive-grammar-1691668

 

  • "There has always been a tension between the descriptive and prescriptive functions of grammar. Currently, descriptive grammar is dominant among theorists, but prescriptive grammar is taught in the schools and exercises a range of social effects."
    (Ann Bodine, "Androcentrism in Prescriptive Grammar." The Feminist Critique of Language, ed. D. Cameron. Routledge, 1998)"

 

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The preface to my 1960's copy of the Concise Oxford Dictionary makes a point of the fact that it reflects what the current English idiom is, rather than prescribing what it ought to be. 

 

 Amongst other things, it mentions the change of spelling of words such as tyre,  colour, and axe that appear in the first edition of the O.E.D. as tire, color and ax.  The change from what we now consider to be American idiom seems to have taken place around the time of the First World War. 

 

While we have not had the form of our spelling and grammar  changed  by law, other contries have. Germany had a spelling revision at the end of the 19th century, when many words that were spent with "th" dropped the "h". I have a 1920s dictionary which says that the German spellings in the German-English part are the old spellings, those in the English-German the revised spellings   An example of a fossilised  old spelling is found in "Neaderthal man", whose remains  were found in was is now the "Neandertal", which is the Neander valley.

 

 The Netherlands had a major revision of the spelling and grammar of the Dutch language in the late 1940s, rationalising spellings and officially abandoning archaisms which are still found in modern Africaans.

 

Spoken Mandarin and Cantonese Chinese are mutually unintelligible due to the different sounds allocated to the same chinese characters, meaning that communication is generally  possible in writing between Chinese who cannot  communicate orally. "Generally" because the Chinese communist party simplified many of the more complex  ideograms several decades ago, apparently with the laudible objective of improving literacy. This is why, in some multi-language instruction leafets, you can  find two slightly different Chinese texts.The text with the less complex characters is modern Mandarin, the other usng the more compex original characters is the version formerly used in mainland  Mandarin and still used in Cantonese and in Taiwan.

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