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As far as I know, we are not being asked to go on severe rationing. But, shopping at the point you become desperate is not sensible. It would also become counterproductive, if the police became overzealous, in applying the the rule of "only essential". People would only feel more inclined to panic buy, to compensate, once they make it to the supermarket or shop. People are already under a psychological strain, it is not good to be adding further stress. 

 

 

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It's an interesting interpretation of essential. At the start of the week off licences were closed unless they also sold food. By Wednesday the government had a change of heart and said all off licences and breweries could sell for take away. 

 

I like a drink as much as the next person but I wouldn't have said alcohol was an essential by any stretch of the imagination.

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3 hours ago, Ange said:

Tins of canned bread?

The Vacuum packed stuff id much cheaper than the canned bread it is around 80p for a 500g loaf, it generally has a more than 6 month BB date.

Its not a nice as 'Warburtons' best but it makes a sandwich and gives sustenance.

 

Being very rural we always have a few in the house over Winter, and a couple in the boat for those 'oops days' when 'SOMEONE' ate the last few slices of 'normal' bread and said nothing.

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20 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

The Vacuum packed stuff id much cheaper than the canned bread

 

Where are you getting this canned bread please?

 

I've had a search on both goggle and tesco and it seems to be an american thing. Weird dark brown stuff with raisins in. Tesco offers me dog food!

 

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4 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Where are you getting this canned bread please?

 

I've had a search on both goggle and tesco and it seems to be an american thing. Weird dark brown stuff with raisins in. Tesco offers me dog food!

 

Canned bread is a 'survivalist / preppers' kind of thing and (is / was) available on Amazon.

 

I use the Aldi 'stuff', they do a Rye Wholemeal and a Sun-Flower one. Its pretty much like German 'Schwarzbrot' which I developed a taste for when working over there.

 

I bought this last lot in December and as you can see it has a BB date of September 2020.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

I bought this last lot in December and as you can see it has a BB date of September 2020.

 

I watched a loony yank video about canned bread and they went to quite some length to say the BB date is the date the shop is supposed to sell it by, and that it lasts for years beyond that date inside the tin.

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2 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

I watched a loony yank video about canned bread and they went to quite some length to say the BB date is the date the shop is supposed to sell it by, and that it lasts for years beyond that date inside the tin.

I’d believe that. Besides, his tin reads August not September :P

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4 hours ago, nbfiresprite said:

 

They asked, You may be happy to lie to the Police, I'm not

 

 

Aready in the tabloids on how the police are using their new powers

 

The Government has not set out any official guidelines about what is considered an essential food item

 

This was in the Manchester Evening News and The Mirror

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/essential-supermarket-shopping-items-products-17978057?_ga=2.12099316.1737983330.1585265910-1049350747.1577644084

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/coronaivirus-items-you-should-actually-21758068

 

'Earlier this week, Boris Johnson announced that Brits are now only permitted to go to the shops once a day maximum, and if doing so, it should only be for 'essentials'.

Plenty of non-essential shops have already shut, and only those considered 'essential' now remain open. These include supermarkets, hardware stores, off-licenses and garages.

 

However, many shoppers have been left asking the question 'what counts as an essential?'

The government has not set out any official guidelines about what is considered an essential, so at the moment, we'll need to rely on common sense to work out when we should and shouldn't be nipping to the shops.

We've come up with some handy tips to help you.

If you want to head to the supermarket or to an essential shop, consider these factors before going:

 
  • Is it urgent?
  • Will it significantly impact my quality of life or risk my health and wellbeing if you don't have it?
  • Can I buy it online?
  • Will I be putting others at risk by going to buy it?

To put it bluntly, if you fancy a chocolate bar, a new hanging basket for the garden or just fancy going to the supermarket for a 'nice trip out', then it's probably not essential - and you're unnecessarily putting others at risk by making the trip.

But if you've run out of baby formula, need food to feed yourself and/or your family, you need to pick up medication or sanitary products, or your car's broken and it needs fixing for you to be able to work (if you're a key worker), then these can all be considered essentials, and you shouldn't feel guilty for going out the house for them.'

 

I would have to prove to the magistrates that not having bread, milk and butter would risk my health and well being if I did not have the items. More so when the dinette seat lockers are full of canned and bottled food. I even have two tins of canned bread (Last resort). 

 

Almost everyone has been panic buying for nearly three weeks, The Government, Police and Magistrates would expect almost everyone had stockpiled months of food and loo rolls. People started stockpiling beer, wine and sprits last week when the pubs were closed.

 

Up to the start of last week, I was in quarantine recovering from the flu, which for me was only a mild attack,, still was unpleasant with aching joints, fever and sore throat for a week.  I was deem no long contagious after a fortnight once the symptoms were gone, but to be on the safe side I spent one more week in quarantine. Chances of getting it a second time are remote. Only was ment to be down in Dorset for the weekend, in the end it was nearly five weeks. 

 

If you do get questioned by the Police, you may have problems if the address on your id is not near the location you are stopped. The address on my id was in Dorset 200 miles away. Had to explain why I was in The Fenland area, Good thing that the boat was on the council tax list. As I work in Cambridge a 30 mile comute is better than 175 mile comute each day.    

The qoute was in last weeks Poole Herald, More or less the same qoute in  many of the papers

 

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/people-who-ignore-lockdown-rules-17988359

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/punishments-flouting-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-17986921

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/national/18337880.police-given-new-powers-arrest-people-ignore-lockdown-rules/

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/26/people-breaking-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-will-arrested-12460957/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-lockdown-rules-arrest-home-office-a4398821.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/people-flouting-coronavirus-lockdown-face-21760346

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8158035/Police-streets-stop-drivers-lockdown-threaten-960-fines.html

Lets clear up one thing, you would not have to prove to the magistrate anything, they would have to do the proving. Secondly, unless this overbearing tit, knew precisely what food you had on board, he could not possibly make such a judgement. Say you had a box of weetabix for breakfast, but no milk, are you expected to eat it dry. Say you had a block of cheese in the fridge, but no bread and butter. How are you meant to prepare a sandwich for lunch. As I said earlier, if the encounter was exactly as you state, then I would be defending my position in court, because what has happened to you is a flagrant abuse of the system, by a pretend copper.

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24 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

I watched a loony yank video about canned bread and they went to quite some length to say the BB date is the date the shop is supposed to sell it by, and that it lasts for years beyond that date inside the tin.

Canned bread (and many canned foods) last well beyond the BB dates.

I remember reading that a laboratory had made tests on some of the canned food left in 'Scott of The Antarctic' food dumps and they were perfectly edible.

 

We have 'used up' some MRE's when camping that are a couple of years out of date, MREs are not the best tasting food anyway, but there were no problems and no side effects (that I'll admit to - I was 'mad' before eating them)

 

My first taste of canned bread was during my Biology A-Level field trip to the Scilly Isles - we were camping in the next field to a group of soldiers, and for some reason they seemed attracted to our side of the field (maybe it was the 17-18 year old girls ?) but we got loads of Canned bread, 'cheese in a tube' and all sorts of novel 'foods' so I guess it was a fair exchange.

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I went to Foxton locks from Debdale marina in the boat to get bread and milk as NO online slots available for ever no pretend coppers seen in the canal blocking my way asking what when and why I was moving. lol.

Fridge near empty freezer near full but still need odd items now and again so back and forwards it will be maybe as far as Market harbrough if major shop up required.

Been penned up because Foxton locks closed for 2 months just as they open this happens, all part of lifes rich pattern of cock ups lol.

 

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As we are getting into the realms of second guessing what the fuzz would consider an 'essential' journey, what does the team think of a trip I'm considering making?

 

A customer from way back just called and left me a message saying they have no hot water or heating. Is a 100 mile round trip to fix this "essential"?

 

She is a single woman.

 

A NHS doctor. 

 

An oncologist. 

 

Hmmm....

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5 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

As we are getting into the realms of second guessing what the fuzz would consider an 'essential' journey, what does the team think of a trip I'm considering making?

 

A customer from way back just called and left me a message saying they have no hot water or heating. Is a 100 mile round trip to fix this "essential"?

 

She is a single woman.

 

A NHS doctor. 

 

An oncologist. 

 

Hmmm....

For a cancer Doctor yes.

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Best before dates are simply the dates at which the food may go past it's optimal quality. So it's a quality indicator rather than an issue of food safety and you can eat most foods which have gone a reasonable amount of time past their best before date without any ill-effects, you just won't be eating them at their prime.

 

Use-by dates on meat, dairy, ready meals, etc are an indicator of when a food is not safe to eat. Bear in mind that the manufaturer has to take into consideration the varing temperatures of consumer fridges which might be as high as 8C and allow microbiological growth to increase at a faster rate. Anyway, you would not be wise to consume anything very long after it's Use-by date.

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16 minutes ago, buccaneer66 said:

For a cancer Doctor yes.

 

She is highly concerned that neither of us passes C-19 on to the other....

 

And so am I. Her being NHS and me being in the high risk category for C-19.

 

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5 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

She is highly concerned that neither of us passes C-19 on to the other....

 

And so am I. Her being NHS and me being in the high risk category for C-19.

 

She is going to need someone to fix her heating/hot water, so the risk is there for her, whoever does the job. The going round to fix stuff is definitely allowed.

 

I thought you were wondering whether the 100 mile trip was "essential", on the basis that she could get someone from much nearer, although I can understand her wanting someone she knows and trusts.

 

Having said that, if you are in the high risk category, do you mean the one where you have to remain completely isolated for 12 weeks?

 

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5 minutes ago, Richard10002 said:

She is going to need someone to fix her heating/hot water, so the risk is there for her, whoever does the job. The going round to fix stuff is definitely allowed.

 

I thought you were wondering whether the 100 mile trip was "essential", on the basis that she could get someone from much nearer, although I can understand her wanting someone she knows and trusts.

 

Having said that, if you are in the high risk category, do you mean the one where you have to remain completely isolated for 12 weeks?

 

 

No, there seems to be considerable debate as to whether people NEED hot water and heating from a central heating boiler, as opposed to find it very convenient.

 

Its an awkward and difficult boiler to fix, one which most plumbers refuse to work on, and one I specialise in i.e. have a van filled with every spare part for it. Parts are mail order only (no merchants stock the parts) and I rather doubt the manu is answering the phone, although I've not checked. 

 

And I'm 'high risk' as in over 65 and have two co-morbidities so about a 1 in 10 chance of dying if I catch it. 

 

 

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