Martinb2347 Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Evening all. We are in the process of looking at either a repair or new propeller. We need to provide the reduction ratio of our gearbox. We have a lh150 om a lister sr3. How do i find this out as i must confess i am at a loss. Thanks Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Are you are able to decompress the engine, (the brass levers on the rocker covers), and wind it over by hand using a handle? If so, then if you engage gear you can count how many full 360 degree revolutions you need to turn the engine over for to get one full revolution of the propshaft. A bit of sticky tape on each of the moving parts, makes counting the revolutions easier. Obviously if it takes 3 full rotations of the engine to get one full rotation of the prop shaft, then you have a 3:1 reduction, 2 revolutions, a 2:1 reduction, etc..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain_S Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 35 minutes ago, alan_fincher said: Are you are able to decompress the engine, (the brass levers on the rocker covers), and wind it over by hand using a handle? If so, then if you engage gear you can count how many full 360 degree revolutions you need to turn the engine over for to get one full revolution of the propshaft. A bit of sticky tape on each of the moving parts, makes counting the revolutions easier. Obviously if it takes 3 full rotations of the engine to get one full rotation of the prop shaft, then you have a 3:1 reduction, 2 revolutions, a 2:1 reduction, etc..... ... bearing in mind that the front pulley is on the camshaft, not the crankshaft, so multiply rotations by 2 to get engine rotations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinb2347 Posted February 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 22 hours ago, alan_fincher said: Are you are able to decompress the engine, (the brass levers on the rocker covers), and wind it over by hand using a handle? If so, then if you engage gear you can count how many full 360 degree revolutions you need to turn the engine over for to get one full revolution of the propshaft. A bit of sticky tape on each of the moving parts, makes counting the revolutions easier. Obviously if it takes 3 full rotations of the engine to get one full rotation of the prop shaft, then you have a 3:1 reduction, 2 revolutions, a 2:1 reduction, etc..... If i am honest i am not entirely sure how to turn the engine manualy. We have the levers but how do i then turn the engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 If you don't have the hand starting gear and starting handle you can reach in behind the flywheel shroud and turn the flywheel manually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) If there is not a drop reduction box on the back of the gearbox it will be direct drive, 1.1. If you have the large diameter alternator drive pulley on the camshaft, this should turn the engine by hand with the decompressors levers on. Outhwise there should be the outer end of the camshaft sticking out in front of the alternator drive pulley. this can be used to turn the engine over. There should be a key way with a square key in it. Wrap some thin ally or loads of turns of oven foil or insulating tape around it and use Stilsons or big pipe grips on it, it will turn quite easily with the decompressor levers on. Don't forget the camshaft turns at exactly half the speed of the crankshaft so a half revolution of the camshaft is one complete revolutions of the crankshaft from which your gearbox is driven. Mark the camshaft pulley and a part of the casing with chalk marks to give ths exact half revolutions when they align up. You need to mark the propshaft half coupling and a bit of the casing with chalk too to determine the reduction ratio. You'll probably need someone watching the propshaft marks while you turn the camshaft and watch those marks. As Liam above remarks that you can turn the crankshaft flywheel with a lever through the air cooling slots on the gearbox flywheel shroud, but these are usually covered with safety wire mesh, but they are removable. Edited February 13, 2020 by bizzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptedOut Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) IIRC the LH150 box is hydraulically actuated, will it turn the prop shaft at hand turning speed? Edited February 13, 2020 by OptedOut Wrong info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, OptedOut said: IIRC the LH150 gearbox is hydraulically operated, will it turn the prop shaft when rotated slowly by hand? Yes, they lock into forward gear automatically when the engine stops because the hyraulic oil pressure has ceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRLMK38 Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 If the engine runs and the rev counter works (assuming you have one?) then why not use a tachometer on the prop shaft? This is a cheap non-contact one, you just apply a small piece of reflective tape to the shaft and point the laser at it https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tachometer-Roeam-Non-Contact-2-5RPM-99-Reflective/dp/B07RXYRNFF/ref=lp_6286405031_1_17?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1581671950&sr=1-17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptedOut Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 hours ago, GRLMK38 said: If the engine runs and the rev counter works (assuming you have one?) then why not use a tachometer on the prop shaft? This is a cheap non-contact one, you just apply a small piece of reflective tape to the shaft and point the laser at it https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tachometer-Roeam-Non-Contact-2-5RPM-99-Reflective/dp/B07RXYRNFF/ref=lp_6286405031_1_17?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1581671950&sr=1-17 Bought one of those a few years back, well worth the money. Not sure how accurate the boat rev counter will be but the most accurate results would be from checking the prop shaft and the camshaft pulley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machpoint005 Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, OptedOut said: Bought one of those a few years back, well worth the money. Not sure how accurate the boat rev counter will be but the most accurate results would be from checking the prop shaft and the camshaft pulley. Agreed - but even the boat's own rev counter* will be accurate enough to distinguish between 3:1 and 2:1 ratios! * Despite its name. this is a purely secular instrument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinb2347 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Thanks for all the comments. We r off to the boat next week so will give the guidance a go. We dont have a rev counter, we have a very basic control panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinb2347 Posted March 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 Ok so quick update, we ended up turning the engine via the propellor, marking the propellor shaft and then marking the shaft where the pulley is situated. When turning got a 1-1 does this sound right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 So you have a 2:1 gearbox - both the camshaft and the propshaft rotate at half the crankshaft speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinb2347 Posted March 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, David Mack said: So you have a 2:1 gearbox - both the camshaft and the propshaft rotate at half the crankshaft speed. Great thanks, did think it seemed odd ti have 1-1 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 Wish I had seen this thread before - I have yet to come across a reduction box on an LH150 that isn't 2:1 Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Carter Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 6 hours ago, RLWP said: Wish I had seen this thread before - I have yet to come across a reduction box on an LH150 that isn't 2:1 Richard There was certainly one at Foxton in the 80s - it was fitted to the trip boat by mistake once after an engine rebuild and I spent one Sunday with the poor old SR2 batting away like the clappers before we realised. Turned out it had been taken off a private boat which "didn't seem to go very well" and put into the storeroom to catch unwary fitters out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Richard Carter said: There was certainly one at Foxton in the 80s - it was fitted to the trip boat by mistake once after an engine rebuild and I spent one Sunday with the poor old SR2 batting away like the clappers before we realised. Turned out it had been taken off a private boat which "didn't seem to go very well" and put into the storeroom to catch unwary fitters out. Oh, they exist, they're just rare that's all. I have come across direct drive gearboxes, not a 3:1 yet Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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