leeco Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 https://www.facebook.com/679137987/posts/10157792783417988/?d=n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 At least it looks secure until they can get it sorted. I suggested they contact their insurance company before trying anything. Remember that disaster when someone tried to drag a boat back in with floats attached to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHutch Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Absolutely, it's reasonable sage where it is, and should be covered by insurance. However if you can get a crane on it that is likely the best option. Will require a large crane for the reach I expect, and some work getting the slings under it. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearley Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, DHutch said: Absolutely, it's reasonable sage where it is, and should be covered by insurance. However if you can get a crane on it that is likely the best option. Will require a large crane for the reach I expect, and some work getting the slings under it. Daniel Wouldn't be easy to get a crane to it. Sure there's a weight limit on the bridge behind and that's The Navigation Pub garden by the towpath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) Looks like the same location where Pipistrelle was grounded in 2008. You can't get a crane in there. Whatever you do, don't call in the professional clowns who refloated Pipistrelle. Utterly clueless and caused the otherwise undamaged interior to be flooded as well as wrecking the rudder when it finally went in. Some pictures at http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk/news/news2008b.htm#boatrecovery. The videos don't seem to be available any more. Previous threads at Wakefield Scouts would be advised to find someone who can side slip the boat back in as suggested by Mayalld in the second thread. I've no idea if they would be willing to help, but the guys at the boatyard in Ashton-under-Lyne have lots of experience of side slipping. P.s. I don't do Facebook, but perhaps someone who does can point Chris Duggan to this thread. Edited February 11, 2020 by David Mack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeco Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, David Mack said: Looks like the same location where Pipistrelle was grounded in 2008. You can't get a crane in there. Whatever you do, don't call in the professional clowns who refloated Pipistrelle. Utterly clueless and caused the otherwise undamaged interior to be flooded as well as wrecking the rudder when it finally went in. Some pictures at http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk/news/news2008b.htm#boatrecovery. The videos don't seem to be available any more. Previous threads at Wakefield Scouts would be advised to find someone who can side slip the boat back in as suggested by Mayalld in the second thread. I've no idea if they would be willing to help, but the guys at the boatyard in Ashton-under-Lyne have lots of experience of side slipping. P.s. I don't do Facebook, but perhaps someone who does can point Chris Duggan to this thread. I’ll point him to here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 21 minutes ago, David Mack said: Looks like the same location where Pipistrelle was grounded in 2008. You can't get a crane in there. Whatever you do, don't call in the professional clowns who refloated Pipistrelle. Utterly clueless and caused the otherwise undamaged interior to be flooded as well as wrecking the rudder when it finally went in. Some pictures at http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk/news/news2008b.htm#boatrecovery. The videos don't seem to be available any more. Previous threads at Wakefield Scouts would be advised to find someone who can side slip the boat back in as suggested by Mayalld in the second thread. I've no idea if they would be willing to help, but the guys at the boatyard in Ashton-under-Lyne have lots of experience of side slipping. P.s. I don't do Facebook, but perhaps someone who does can point Chris Duggan to this thread. I have alerted Jubilee Ventures to this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHutch Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Don't know the area well and hadn't clocked it was the same location! If a crane is not practical, then that's another challenge. Hopefully lessons can be learnt from last time. I alerted Chris to this thread earlier, should have said. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, David Mack said: Looks like the same location where Pipistrelle was grounded in 2008. You can't get a crane in there. Whatever you do, don't call in the professional clowns who refloated Pipistrelle. Utterly clueless and caused the otherwise undamaged interior to be flooded as well as wrecking the rudder when it finally went in. Some pictures at http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk/news/news2008b.htm#boatrecovery. The videos don't seem to be available any more. I have uploaded the video I took in 2008 of the shenannigans at Broad Cut. nb Pipistrelle refloated (just): 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, pig said: I have uploaded the video I took in 2008 of the shenannigans at Broad Cut. nb Pipistrelle refloated (just): Flippin eck! I'm no expert at refloating boats, but that looked like an utter shit-show! As if they were making it up as they went along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max's son Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 for those who cannot access Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeg Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 In theory you could get a crane in there if the Navigation were happy to have their garden chewed up. The problem will be getting underneath the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Skeg said: In theory you could get a crane in there if the Navigation were happy to have their garden chewed up. The problem will be getting underneath the boat. Or wait a couple of weeks for the next flood and push it back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, WotEver said: Or wait a couple of weeks for the next flood and push it back... With Dennis on the way it may be this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said: With Dennis on the way it may be this weekend. There ya go then, problem sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Riley Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Be Prepared, black it while it's on the hard. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHutch Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 13 hours ago, Skeg said: In theory you could get a crane in there if the Navigation were happy to have their garden chewed up. The problem will be getting underneath the boat. If you could get a crane there, which sound like it would be a sticking point if only with the pub, getting the slings under would be the easy bit. Fairly easy to jack the boat up a few inches to get a sling under, which they did to get slip-pads under Pipistrelle during the previous refloat. Equally if you opted to side-slip it back in, which might be an option, you would have to raise it up to get the timbers/steels under for that. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 This is a dredger they jacked up in Norfolk so not that hard to do with some toe and screw jacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 38 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: This is a dredger they jacked up in Norfolk so not that hard to do with some toe and screw jacks Couldn't it dig its way out? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galilee Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Towpaths in Norfolk are in the same state as the rest of the network then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickent Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 14 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said: With Dennis on the way it may be this weekend. I think there is a good chance of this happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB Esk Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 If a crane could access the site, there wouldn't be a problem getting slings under, or any need for jacking. The bow is safely on the hard so a sling could be passed under the counter, lifting the stern so a couple of timbers could be slid under the boat. What may be a consideration would be the size of crane, I seem to think the towpath is fairly wide at that point and there's also a wall at the beer garden, which may be a consideration for a safe working radius. I don't think the wall is too tall, so it might be possible for the operator to get his outriggers over it and onto the towpath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHutch Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rickent said: I think there is a good chance of this happening. And genuinely, if the levels where to rise again, then having a good plan in-place to refloat on the next rise would not be stupid. I expect it would involve a securing the boat to the bank with strong ropes of a suitable length, and then either getting another suitable rope from the boat to the off side bank to hold it off, or suitable props which could be deployed from the near bank to push and then hold it out while the waters dropped. You might well want a good long 'spring' from the boat, running up river at a shallow angle, such the the force of the flowing water was not resulting in pushing the boat inwards. I don't know how high the waters got, or how fast they were flowing at the time to know if that is a sensible or practical proposition. However if it was such that standing on the grass area, perhaps in waders, was reasonable safe, and the flow was such you could push it outward, your on to a winning course. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galilee Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Stupid question probably, but if it were to refloat on another flood, why wouldn't you just cruise it (or tow it) away and moor it somewhere safer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Galilee said: Stupid question probably, but if it were to refloat on another flood, why wouldn't you just cruise it (or tow it) away and moor it somewhere safer? Don't spoil the fun speculation by being sensible ! It may not be safe to tow it away whilst the canal is in flood. Secure it properly (this time) and when the waters return to normal take it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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