Sanddancer Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Has anybody noticed a difference in the red coal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree monkey Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sanddancer said: Has anybody noticed a difference in the red coal? Never heard of red coal tbh, is it a brand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Our fuel comes in a red bag, does that count.Its abbreviated to R.Sol.Fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 People have been burning dung for centuries if not millenia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) On a more serious note I expect this might be a Supertherm topic. It could be related to wet fuel as well. ETA in my experience briquetted fuels can behave very differently if wet. Much more smoke and general nuisance and smell. I previously thought it was a fuel quality issue but it could easily just be a damp thing. Edited January 27, 2020 by magnetman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Riley Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, magnetman said: People have been burning dung for centuries if not millenia. I'll bet there's a whoosh as that one whizzes by many of the populace. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Sanddancer said: Has anybody noticed a difference in the red coal? Don't be tempted to put any in your steam lorry in case you get stopped by the Ministry for Horseless Carriages and get your tender "dipped". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glynn Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) If you mean Oxbow's "Red" ?. I find it crap, leaves way too much ash and lots of clinker for the heat it put's out. My all time favourite is New Heat ( previously called Pure Heat ) Edited January 27, 2020 by Glynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Red is the same as Winterblaze further south. I've burned it for 4 years with no issues, easy to keep in for long periods and occasional clinker to clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glynn Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Its a cheap coal. Cheap for a reason in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanddancer Posted January 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 The red brand name not the colour of the bag. It's just the amount of clinker it produced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sea Dog Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Glynn said: . Oxbow also do Excel and Newheat, which make up my top two of smokeless fuels. They must have a niche in the range for Red for reasons other than excellence and I note that it isn't smokeless and is marketed as an economy fuel on the bag - two good reasons to avoid it I'd have thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) They seem to be pushing it http://www.oxbowcoal.com/knowledgecenter/1 Interesting to see a non approved briquette fuel. I suppose there must be others not really looked into it. Not sure if you can get ingredients for these. Obviously the ingredients of "it smokes less" stuff is available on the DEFRA site. It would be interesting to know what they do to this product which means it is not authorised. Edited January 27, 2020 by magnetman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 I was originally sold it as smokeless,which it isn't. Burns really well in my stove though, stays in all day and night without getting too hot, and I don't get much clinker or ash. I've stopped using it though as it aint smokeless and is therefore a bit antisocial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) Smokeless fuel is a bit like the old "Payless DIY" stores it just means less of something rather than the absence of it. "Painless" means without pain but "smokeless" does not mean without smoke. Edited January 27, 2020 by magnetman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Oxbow Red is one of the reasons that the identifying line was introduced to Supertherm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Cruiser Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 It's a great fuel, easily stays in overnight, unlike Supertherm. It doesn't burn as hot as some so when it gets cold I mix it with petcoke. Seriously underrated fuel, is petcoke. Burns hot, little or no ash, cheap as chips, what's not to like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 hours ago, The Welsh Cruiser said: Seriously underrated fuel, is petcoke. Burns hot, little or no ash, cheap as chips, what's not to like? Well, there is a potential issue: it burns too hot for many stoves. Bubble, for example, say "Do not use Petcoke" in their manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 48 minutes ago, Sea Dog said: Well, there is a potential issue: it burns too hot for many stoves. Bubble, for example, say "Do not use Petcoke" in their manual. Petcoke is to be found in many of the manufactured smokeless ovoids, both approved and none approved. Excel has something like 70% petcoke in its makeup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glynn Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 As an aside to this for anyone interested. Last week I bought two bags of SuperTherm to try. Straight away we noticed how much more ash it produced compared to New heat and less coal still "in" in the morning. So I will continue to use New Heat which is IMO the best approved smokeless there is - bar none. It might be a little more expensive but snce it lasts longer, gives out more heat and produces less ash and hardly any clincker it's actually cheaper to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 I find most coal goes red once it has been lit for a while. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Liam said: Petcoke is to be found in many of the manufactured smokeless ovoids, both approved and none approved. Excel has something like 70% petcoke in its makeup. Yes, but it's not always easy to identify which fuels or what the percentage is. You can certainly notice the extra heat available from Excel though, so that 70% would seem to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Sea Dog said: Yes, but it's not always easy to identify which fuels or what the percentage is. You can certainly notice the extra heat available from Excel though, so that 70% would seem to fit. This may help, it's a list of the approved smokeless fuels and gives their makeup, where they were made and by which company etc. https://smokecontrol.defra.gov.uk/fuels.php?country=england Edited January 28, 2020 by Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Cruiser Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 hours ago, Liam said: Petcoke is to be found in many of the manufactured smokeless ovoids, both approved and none approved. Excel has something like 70% petcoke in its makeup. You have to wonder why Excel is approved, given that it's 70% petcoke, when petcoke itself isn't 'approved'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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