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Just now, nbfiresprite said:

Does not work, I have repeated told the thickO's at 'BBC Licencing' which is run by Capita. Yet the letters keep coming, as do the enforcers.  

that's odd, I've done it and no letters or threats of visits (no correspondence at all) since done 6 months ago?

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19 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

that's odd, I've done it and no letters or threats of visits (no correspondence at all) since done 6 months ago?

Problem here is that the letters are addressed to  Rebecca Too, Berth , Foxes Marina, The thick'o at Capita will only speak to 'Rebecca Too' who they claim lives there.  'Rebecca Too' being the name of the boat which is named after my late best friend and partner.  

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5 minutes ago, nbfiresprite said:

Problem here is that the letters are addressed to  Rebecca Too, Berth , Foxes Marina, The thick'o at Capita will only speak to 'Rebecca Too' who they claim lives there.  'Rebecca Too' being the name of the boat which is named after my late best friend and partner.  

It's an interesting one, albeit one that doesn't really surprise me much. I'm assuming by the address you give you are in a residential mooring in a marina. Just as a thought however when these 'enforcers' turn up, unlike when they turn up at a land based address where they can come to your front door, there is no statutory right of access to a private marina, surely if they turn up at your boat they are trespassing? it should be a bit like trying to get access to a private apartment in a building such as Hyde Park 1. You can deliver post there to a post box, but unless invited in, anyone entering is trespassing. 

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1 hour ago, nbfiresprite said:

Does not work, I have repeated told the thickO's at 'BBC Licencing' which is run by Capita. Yet the letters keep coming, as do the enforcers.  

When the next one comes just tell them if its a bloke if they come again you will give them a slap, bullies always leg it when confronted. If you smile whilst you say it that will also confuse them and they will not now how to reply. If its a female they are usualy more sensible so just dont even speak to them and they will get the message, They have absolutely no power in any case. With a bit of luck our brill new PM will confine them to the history books one day.

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4 hours ago, mrsmelly said:

When the next one comes just tell them if its a bloke if they come again you will give them a slap, bullies always leg it when confronted. If you smile whilst you say it that will also confuse them and they will not now how to reply. If its a female they are usualy more sensible so just dont even speak to them and they will get the message, They have absolutely no power in any case. With a bit of luck our brill new PM will confine them to the history books one day.

Er, no. Even if it is downgraded to a civil debt Crapita will still have the ability to send bailiffs around to enforce the debt for non-payment so there will still be people knocking on the door. As far as threatening them with a 'slap' what is then done if they call your bluff?(as bailiffs often will). Carry out your threat and get done for a more serious offence of assault? or climb down and look a bit silly?:unsure:

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TV licenses are a bit like everything else on boats - pump out vs cassette, bow thrusters, Alde bubble testers: if you want one then get one, if you don't then don't. ?

On ‎18‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 12:37, Jerra said:

That doesn't alter the fact that you need a licence to watch.

 

The law says you need to be covered by a TV Licence to:

  • watch or record programmes as they’re being shown on TV, on any channel
  • watch or stream programmes live on an online TV service (such as ITV Hub, All 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, Sky Go, etc.)
  • download or watch any BBC programmes on iPlayer.

You will notice there is no mention about you not needing one if you have no post code.   It might be a good defence if it ever came to court but it isn't the case (particularly when you prove it).   It is clearly a case of either them not understanding there are people who watch TV and move around or the left hand not knowing what the right is doing.

 

But there's always some jobsworth...

 

If you have a TV licence for a land based dwelling my understanding is that you're also covered for a caravan or boat but that may have changed.

 

I'm registered at my mum's address and she has a licence so I think I'm covered, but in 18 years living on boats I've never been asked for one.

 

Let's carry on as we are please. Why create a problem where one doesn't exist?

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2 hours ago, blackrose said:

TV licenses are a bit like everything else on boats - pump out vs cassette, bow thrusters, Alde bubble testers: if you want one then get one, if you don't then don't. ?

 

But there's always some jobsworth...

 

If you have a TV licence for a land based dwelling my understanding is that you're also covered for a caravan or boat but that may have changed.

 

I'm registered at my mum's address and she has a licence so I think I'm covered, but in 18 years living on boats I've never been asked for one.

 

Let's carry on as we are please. Why create a problem where one doesn't exist?

Theee are some differences between boats and static caravans.  For boats you are covered if you have a licence at home, not sure about your example though if the one at the house is not in your name, I don’t think they clearly define that.

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33 minutes ago, john6767 said:

Theee are some differences between boats and static caravans.  For boats you are covered if you have a licence at home, not sure about your example though if the one at the house is not in your name, I don’t think they clearly define that.

I think they work on the basis that not both locations are in use at the same time. I haven't read it for years

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When we bought our boat, I also purchased from a local shop a TV for use onboard. We had readdressed our mail to go to a sons address from where he could forward it to us (we became continuous cruisers)

The shop asked for the address where the TV was going to be used and we said our boat name followed c/o British Waterways - with their address but gave our sons address for mail. We then got a demand for a licence at our sons address (he alreeady had a licence) so I replied explaining that it was for use onboard, he already had a licence but we would be willing to pay if they changed the address c/o British waterways.

22 years later we are still waiting for a reply and have never had any further problems. I surmise that they can not apply a licence since its not at a fixed address.

 

If you have an address at say a marina (ie a fixed location) then the licencing rules allow them to demand payment for licencing your TV

 

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35 minutes ago, bizzard said:

When we were kids and had no telly we'd go up to the high rd to Norman Stanley's TV shop to press our noses against their window watching tellys on display. We became fluent lip readers.  :closedeyes:

And at a guess, all you were able to watch was Porridge? 

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1 minute ago, The Dreamer said:

And at a guess, all you were able to watch was Porridge? 

There were 2 TV channels when we were kids beeb and Itv. A new channel appeared in 1964 beeb 2.

There was still more on TV worth watching than there is today with 200 channels of unadulterated crap innitt. 

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1 minute ago, mrsmelly said:

There were 2 TV channels when we were kids beeb and Itv. A new channel appeared in 1964 beeb 2.

There was still more on TV worth watching than there is today with 200 channels of unadulterated crap innitt. 

Also you want to drag the BBC down to the level of the unadulterated crap by putting in the hands of advertising paymasters.

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2 minutes ago, Jerra said:

Also you want to drag the BBC down to the level of the unadulterated crap by putting in the hands of advertising paymasters.

Yep, I always have. I am hoping it goes the same way as the EU, out the door. Other opinions allowed. 

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2 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Yep, I always have. I am hoping it goes the same way as the EU, out the door. Other opinions allowed. 

So instead of a station or two producing decent programmes you want them all to produce crap!   What a strange attitude.

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4 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Yep, I always have. I am hoping it goes the same way as the EU, out the door. Other opinions allowed. 

So then we get no stations making quality stuff such as Attenborough's work and we no longer have any national or local BBC radio stations either, and that is what you want for the country? Endless, Murdoch generated crap such as his Fox News.

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3 minutes ago, Jerra said:

So instead of a station or two producing decent programmes you want them all to produce crap!   What a strange attitude.

That's not what I said. The Beeb is not needed in 2019 its not 1936 things have moved on. We need rid and one day it will happen. 

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Just now, mrsmelly said:

That's not what I said. The Beeb is not needed in 2019 its not 1936 things have moved on. We need rid and one day it will happen. 

So you are in effect saying all you want is crap programmes as virtually all programmes of any worth began with the BBC and still do.

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1 minute ago, Wanderer Vagabond said:

So then we get no stations making quality stuff such as Attenborough's work and we no longer have any national or local BBC radio stations either, and that is what you want for the country? Endless, Murdoch generated crap such as his Fox News.

We don't have to murder Attenborough. He will be able to work for someone else. You want to retain the Beeb, I don't, it's only personal choice. Some people like being in clubs for instance and I don't. 

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1 minute ago, mrsmelly said:

We don't have to murder Attenborough. He will be able to work for someone else. You want to retain the Beeb, I don't, it's only personal choice. Some people like being in clubs for instance and I don't. 

The point you are missing (deliberately?) is that when advertisers are  the paymasters they don/t want to spend the money to make the quality programmes.   For example which other channel has a production section capable of producing the natural history type documentaries that the BBC does

 

When programmes are paid for by advertising the level of quality ios in general low (or bought in BBC repeats).   Just look at all the crap you are complaining about. 

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1 minute ago, Jerra said:

So you are in effect saying all you want is crap programmes as virtually all programmes of any worth began with the BBC and still do.

Where's that wall when I need to bang my head on it. 

Perhaps we should enforce people who don't use other stuff to pay for it? You actually want enforced payment of people who never watch Beeb programmes. Other opinions allowed. I tend to go ong with the majority in most matters so I reckon plenty of others would be happy to see the back of them, I don't care, it's only my view. 

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3 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Where's that wall when I need to bang my head on it. 

Perhaps we should enforce people who don't use other stuff to pay for it? You actually want enforced payment of people who never watch Beeb programmes. Other opinions allowed. I tend to go ong with the majority in most matters so I reckon plenty of others would be happy to see the back of them, I don't care, it's only my view. 

I don'#t find the concept of being licenced to use equipment strange that is what the licence is for and going by your continued opposition to the licence you don't want the quality programmes it pays for.

 

As I said before wanting everything brought down to the level of crap very strange attitude.

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3 minutes ago, Jerra said:

The point you are missing (deliberately?) is that when advertisers are  the paymasters they don/t want to spend the money to make the quality programmes.   For example which other channel has a production section capable of producing the natural history type documentaries that the BBC does

 

When programmes are paid for by advertising the level of quality ios in general low (or bought in BBC repeats).   Just look at all the crap you are complaining about. 

As you rightly say what advertisers want is stuff that will draw people no matter how crappy it is. So we get endless, Naked Attraction, Love Island, various forms of Get me Out of Here and of course Poverty porn draws people in as well. And then of course once they've made it it can then go onto and endless repeat loop.

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7 minutes ago, Jerra said:

I don'#t find the concept of being licenced to use equipment strange that is what the licence is for and going by your continued opposition to the licence you don't want the quality programmes it pays for.

 

As I said before wanting everything brought down to the level of crap very strange attitude.

Everyone's idea of quality programmes is different. I don't personally think the BBC does anything better than any other channel, who fund themselves with a much smaller budget. 

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8 minutes ago, Jerra said:

I don'#t find the concept of being licenced to use equipment strange that is what the licence is for and going by your continued opposition to the licence you don't want the quality programmes it pays for.

 

As I said before wanting everything brought down to the level of crap very strange attitude.

Do you need a TV licence if you only watch independent TV channels? 

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