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old car dodgy electrics - am I being paranoid

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2 hours ago, Stilllearning said:

I had a Rover 620SDi that I still regret pxing for a 320 BMW, over 10 yrs ago. 

The Rover was beginning to get peripheral faults, but it drove like dream, and was much better than the BMW.

And the Sterling with the V6 Honda petrol was a flyer.

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9 hours ago, magpie patrick said:

 

Obvious symptoms - central locking has failed,

 

I had the rear passenger side door lock fail on a car some years ago. It wasn't the main central locking that failed, since it still worked on the other doors. The door wouldn't open using either the external or internal handle and the lock/unlock knob made no difference. Examination of its pair on the other side of the car showed that to remove the lock unit I would have to undo screws located in the rear face if the door - which can only be accessed if the door is open! Another possibility was to remove the interior trim from the door and then see if the latch could be operated from inside the door.  But to remove the door trim I needed to undo some screws along the bottom edge, which were blocked off by the seat support structure when the door is closed...

In the end I had to resort to breaking the fixings along the upper part of the door lining, bending the lining panel back then poking around inside the door with a screwdriver, bent wire etc. working blind while trying to visualise the mirror image of the opposite door lock which I could see. After a number of frustrating hours I did eventually manage to push the critical bit of metal to unlatch the door. After that it was all pretty straightforward, and even the doorlining went back fairly well (with some new fixings). But I did wonder how a garage would have dealt with the same problem without needing to charge the customer for the number of hours it took me.

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Fan failing on positions 1 & 2 is a known issue that was carried forward into the 25 and 45 range. The resistor used wasn't beefy enough for the job. Upgraded parts are available but it's hardly worth the expense.

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Off-topic: What's the oldest ordinary car any forum member is still running, excluding veteran cars and such like?  I come nowhere with a 2010 Skoda Roomster.

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My current workhorse is a 1996 Volvo 940 bought 3 years ago for £250. No issues and a good runner. Love it being an auto. 2.3 litre petrol turbo and now just over 200,000 miles.

 

Previous to that a 1989 Volvo 240 GLT auto estate 2.3 litre owned for 10 years cost £350 to buy added 76,000 miles to it and never gave any major trouble. Used as my only car for 8 years until I bought the 940 as wanted AC and ABS brakes. Sold the 240 last year for £500 with 234,000 miles and it still lives on and recently sold on Ebay for £1200.

 

I really like the older 2,7,9 series Volvo's as reliable, solid load luggers.

 

18 months ago I also bought a high mileage (174,00) 2006 Lexus Is 220D. £1,475. Now on 186,00. It's ok but prefer automatic. Suspect head gasket going. Love the build quality and 10 airbags inc knee airbags. Will sell at some point and just have my 940. May get a Lexus IS250 Or hybrid GS450.  

 

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11 hours ago, Mad Harold said:

British cars and especially motorcycles although mechanically sound,have always suffered from dodgy ancilliarys,especially electrics.Some excellent engines have been made,Rover V8, Ford V6,Triumph parellel twins,and the lovely Velocette singles.Us Brits seem to skimp on the fine details.

It sounds to me as though the the OP's car needs a re-wire,a long and tedious job as the insulation has probably cracked with age,and is allowing moisture in.

Sorry but much as I love to buy British I must question a few of your claims. The Rover V8 was Americian, I think the Ford  V6 was German and the Triumph 'bike engines ķleaked oil everywhere.

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8 minutes ago, canals are us? said:

My current workhorse is a 1996 Volvo 940 bought 3 years ago for £250. No issues and a good runner. Love it being an auto. 2.3 litre petrol turbo and now just over 200,000 miles.

 

Previous to that a 1989 Volvo 240 GLT auto estate 2.3 litre owned for 10 years cost £350 to buy added 76,000 miles to it and never gave any major trouble. Used as my only car for 8 years until I bought the 940 as wanted AC and ABS brakes. Sold the 240 last year for £500 with 234,000 miles and it still lives on and recently sold on Ebay for £1200.

 

I really like the older 2,7,9 series Volvo's as reliable, solid load luggers.

 

18 months ago I also bought a high mileage (174,00) 2006 Lexus Is 220D. £1,475. Now on 186,00. It's ok but prefer automatic. Suspect head gasket going. Love the build quality and 10 airbags inc knee airbags. Will sell at some point and just have my 940. May get a Lexus IS250 Or hybrid GS450.  

 

James

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Like the Volvos. I had a 740 for 17 years, absolutly loved it. Presently have an SPA V90. Gadgets and processers everywhere. If I could I'd have a new 740 tomorrow

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7 minutes ago, Slim said:

Like the Volvos. I had a 740 for 17 years, absolutly loved it. Presently have an SPA V90. Gadgets and processers everywhere. If I could I'd have a new 740 tomorrow

Yes, old Volvos are best. Modern cars are too complex electronically. V90 Power pulse pipes constantly breaking and heard of engine failure.

I also had a 1986 740 GLE estate in 2001. My very first car. £425, I also loved it. Was a B230K carb model. Owned it for 6 years, then a new Corolla then the cars above.

 

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49 minutes ago, canals are us? said:

Yes, old Volvos are best. Modern cars are too complex electronically. V90 Power pulse pipes constantly breaking and heard of engine failure.

I also had a 1986 740 GLE estate in 2001. My very first car. £425, I also loved it. Was a B230K carb model. Owned it for 6 years, then a new Corolla then the cars above.

 

James.

Hardly boat related but......

My 90 is the D4 so no PowerPulse. The pilot Assist is excellent. On th motorway at Banbury,, press a few buttons then do nothing  apart from hold steering wheel until Uxbridge. All at pushing 60 mpg. EGR and DPF issues are beginning to appear on various forums.

Apologies to  non Volvo owners

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1986 Volvo 340 dl.  Bought it from a customer for £100 about 15 years ago, bought it to sell on but kept it and decided to use it. Just put two new front tyres on it £60 supply fit and balance.

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Here it is, me going up a bus lane last year Christmas day in Colchester. I was done £30 fine.  Cost of one tyre.

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2 hours ago, system 4-50 said:

Off-topic: What's the oldest ordinary car any forum member is still running, excluding veteran cars and such like?  I come nowhere with a 2010 Skoda Roomster.

My "other" car is a 1972 MG Midget.
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One of the first things I had to do was rewire the headlights, after changing the mediocre sealed beam units with more modern halogen units. Typical of that era the wiring joints were brass ends pushed into rubber covered connectors, but those seem to have been made of steel, so either rusty or non-existent. Plus from the fuse board to the lights there were 3 connections! Now new wires fitted with only one connection, where the feed to either light splits. Was going to change it relay switching over the winter but now going to replace the H4 bulbs with LED units.

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2 hours ago, Slim said:

Sorry but much as I love to buy British I must question a few of your claims. The Rover V8 was Americian, I think the Ford  V6 was German and the Triumph 'bike engines ķleaked oil everywhere.

The Rover V8 was based on the Buick engine. The first of Fords V6's, the Essex engine went into the Mk1 Granada. The Mk2 Granada used the German Fraud Taunus V6 engine which was superior in every way than the Ford Essex engine.

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22 hours ago, pearley said:

It's a Rover 214 with a rear wiper, therefore it had to be a hatchback.

I picked up a company pool car (Passat) a couple of weeks ago. First time out in the rain spent ten minutes swearing and pressing all the dozens of dashboard buttons trying to find the rear wiper button before I realised that I was driving a saloon!

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On 10/11/2019 at 09:28, magpie patrick said:

Not boats but this forum seems to know all sorts of stuff

 

My current car is a Rover 214 , registered December 2002 bought some time ago for a couple of hundred quid when the venerable Golf failed it's MOT after a fantastically long life and high mileage. The Rover is lovely to drive, but I feel it's electrics are going to pot, my experience is that once cars get to about 15, the wiring starts to crumble and it's that rather than mileage that kills them- this one will be 17 next month.

 

Obvious symptoms - central locking has failed, fan only works on setting 3 and 4, and rear windscreen wiper failed. First, so what, I can still lock the car the old fashioned way, second and third a bit of a nuisance but hardly showstoppers. There's six months MOT left. 

 

However, I've started to notice a slight delay between turning the key and the engine cranking, and between turning the lights on and them actually coming on. Not much, but rather like lip synch in a film, enough to notice. I guess relays are getting sluggish but my understanding of car electrics is limited.

 

Is this "get another car now" or "keep it but get rid before the next MOT"? If I keep the car a couple more months I can afford a better replacement than I can at the moment. 

 

I'm not going to sue anyone for bad advice, just seeking your collected wisdom!

 

Thanks all 

All depends on what you need a car for.  If I didn't have to do 350 miles to get to the boat I would still be running the 2000 Honda Civic Aerodeck I had for 17 years.  The central locking had failed on that car too but you don't even need to lock a car that old.   The heater fan - blown resistor as others have said, easy fix.  As for the rear wiper well those of us who learned to drive in cars that had rubbish windscreen wipers (Ford Pop anyone..?) still regard rear wipers as a luxury. 

 

Quite why the car takes a moment to think before it fires up I don't know but so long as it does start why worry.  

 

I got rid of the Civic simply because I couldn't cope with the inconvenience of something failing or dropping off it halfway down the M74 with the back full of luggage and three dogs.  If you only ever do shortish journeys there's a lot to be said for cheap motors so long as the thing isn't a death trap.  At least your Rover is a known quantity. 

 

I had one of those 214's as a loan car once and I agree they are surprisingly nice to drive.

 

 

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On 10/11/2019 at 09:50, pearley said:

A lot of flexing with rear wiper wiring everytime you open the hatch

And for good measure, many cars run the rear washer from the tank at the front via a long hose. When that flexes and breaks you think the rear washer has stopped working; it's actually filling the tailgate with water!

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My worst electrical experience was with a Ford Sierra in the early 90's, driving in the Lincolnshire wolds on a gloomy winter morning along a windy road in woodland when the radio went silent.   After a couple of seconds I realised that the lights were off and the engine was not responding.  I pulled into the side of the road, no hazard lights, and called the AA.  I was one of the fortunate few who had a mobile phone that I needed for my work.

I waited in the woods for half an hour, praying that nobody would run into the car in the semi-darkness.  The AA man diagnosed that the 'fusible link' from the battery had melted, leaving the car with absolutely no electrics.  Apparently it was a known fault with that model of car.  I was left to wonder what would have happened if it had occurred while driving in the fast lane on a motorway on a dark wet night.  Doesn't bear thinking about.  

29 minutes ago, 1st ade said:

And for good measure, many cars run the rear washer from the tank at the front via a long hose. When that flexes and breaks you think the rear washer has stopped working; it's actually filling the tailgate with water!

did you have a Skoda Octavia estate then?

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I had a large number of long term regular customers, many of which were elderly and when they decided to stop driving, rather than trying to sell their cars themselves, just wanted them gone out of siight quickly for emotional reasons. Many just gave their cars to me. The very first car given to me was a Ford 100E Prefect which I gave to my sister. And then another Ford an Escort Mk 1, gave this to my sister. Then a Vauxhall Nova which also went to my sister. This car was owned by a chap called Charlie who always wore a Trilby hat, his wife said he never took it off, and went to bed with it on. One day when he came to me with his car there was a gale blowing which blew the hat from his head, which scared him terribly. He just stood there bewildered with tears in his eyes like a startled fledgling. He was a terribly nervous, worrier and dithery chap was Charlie and used to drone on about all his ailments and how he fed the pigeons in his garden, he even told me that he got so worried when his MOT was due that on the morning before he set out to us he had severe bouts of diarrhea with the thought and worry of it.  On the quiet my mate called  him ''Old shit legs'' which wasn't very nice as he was good chap and a true gentleman of the old school. The Mk 1 Escort was  owned by a tubby little chap with big spectacles and went by the name of Horace. He had been a bus conductor on the No 86 route all his life and on that same route too and was stuck firmly in his ways so much so that his wife Ethel told me that when they went out shopping in the car he always went the same route as his No 86 bus and even said  ''fares please to his wife !!.'' and tended to slow up at each bus stop. The second Vauxhall Nova went to one of my nephews.  There was also a Vauxhall Cavallier, M2 Ford Escorts which I sold on.   :closedeyes:

   Finis.

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2 minutes ago, bizzard said:

I had a large number of long term regular customers, many of which were elderly and when they decided to stop driving, rather than trying to sell their cars themselves, just wanted them gone out of siight quickly for emotional reasons. Many just gave their cars to me. The very first car given to me was a Ford 100E Prefect which I gave to my sister. And then another Ford an Escort Mk 1, gave this to my sister. Then a Vauxhall Nova which also went to my sister. This car was owned by a chap called Charlie who always wore a Trilby hat, his wife said he never took it off, and went to bed with it on. One day when he came to me with his car there was a gale blowing which blew the hat from his head, which scared him terribly. He just stood there bewildered with tears in his eyes like a startled fledgling. He was a terribly nervous, worrier and dithery chap was Charlie and used to drone on about all his ailments and how he fed the pigeons in his garden, he even told me that he got so worried when his MOT was due that on the morning before he set out to us he had severe bouts of diarrhea with the thought and worry of it.  On the quiet my mate called  him ''Old shit legs'' which wasn't very nice as he was good chap and a true gentleman of the old school. The Mk 1 Escort was  owned by a tubby little chap with big spectacles and went by the name of Horace. He had been a bus conductor on the No 86 route all his life and on that same route too and was stuck firmly in his ways so much so that his wife Ethel told me that when they went out shopping in the car he always went the same route as his No 86 bus and even said  ''fares please to his wife !!.'' and tended to slow up at each bus stop. The second Vauxhall Nova went to one of my nephews.  There was also a Vauxhall Cavallier, M2 Ford Escorts which I sold on.   :closedeyes:

   Finis.

I only have one question.........

 

 

Can I be your sister? 

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35 minutes ago, Murflynn said:

did you have a Skoda Octavia estate then?

No, Vauxhall Corsa. First the rear wiper stopped parking (it worked fine but just stopped wherever it happened to be when you switched it off). Then the washer "stopped". I think it took the rear screen heater failing to get me to pull the trim and rubber boot off and fix all three.

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18 hours ago, cuthound said:

 

The whole car was a Honda. It was a badge engineered Honda Ballade.

I was given one by my Sis as I was skint at the time and needed to get to work, she had used it around the farm so it was rough as but still an excellent car and went like shit off a shovel.

As a small bonus it has grass growing out of most of the rubber seals and on the back seat

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2 minutes ago, tree monkey said:

I was given one by my Sis as I was skint at the time and needed to get to work, she had used it around the farm so it was rough as but still an excellent car and went like shit off a shovel.

As a small bonus it has grass growing out of most of the rubber seals and on the back seat

 

A very green car then! ?

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1 hour ago, bizzard said:

I had a large number of long term regular customers, many of which were elderly and when they decided to stop driving, rather than trying to sell their cars themselves, just wanted them gone out of siight quickly for emotional reasons. Many just gave their cars to me. The very first car given to me was a Ford 100E Prefect which I gave to my sister. And then another Ford an Escort Mk 1, gave this to my sister. Then a Vauxhall Nova which also went to my sister. This car was owned by a chap called Charlie who always wore a Trilby hat, his wife said he never took it off, and went to bed with it on. One day when he came to me with his car there was a gale blowing which blew the hat from his head, which scared him terribly. He just stood there bewildered with tears in his eyes like a startled fledgling. He was a terribly nervous, worrier and dithery chap was Charlie and used to drone on about all his ailments and how he fed the pigeons in his garden, he even told me that he got so worried when his MOT was due that on the morning before he set out to us he had severe bouts of diarrhea with the thought and worry of it.  On the quiet my mate called  him ''Old shit legs'' which wasn't very nice as he was good chap and a true gentleman of the old school. The Mk 1 Escort was  owned by a tubby little chap with big spectacles and went by the name of Horace. He had been a bus conductor on the No 86 route all his life and on that same route too and was stuck firmly in his ways so much so that his wife Ethel told me that when they went out shopping in the car he always went the same route as his No 86 bus and even said  ''fares please to his wife !!.'' and tended to slow up at each bus stop. The second Vauxhall Nova went to one of my nephews.  There was also a Vauxhall Cavallier, M2 Ford Escorts which I sold on.   :closedeyes:

   Finis.

I've had a few cars given too, the first was a 1960 VW Beetle 1200 which me and a mate picked up and drove home 20 miles - no MOT, tax or insurance, my mate convinced me that his dad's insurance covered us.. we were lucky not to get pulled over as the thing was flat out at 40mph.   Then I got a Triumph Herald estate given which I started to strip down, just like having a giant meccano set, but I fell behind with garage rent so it had to go.   My best freebie was a lovely Triumph 2000 mk II which was like an ocean liner on the motorway, probably the nicest motorway car I've had, but the steering was about 200 turns lock to lock so it was a pain on country roads.  I actually sold that car on as I had an Alfasud at the time which, ironically, I literally could not give away... 

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