MHS Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 I’ve just had a stoppage notice to say Alrewas is now open, so everything will be alright now!!! I wonder how long it will be before it closes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proper Charlie Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Torrential rain in Notts today. If it's doing the same further up in the Trent catchment I expect the river will be out of bounds for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) I am 14 miles ENE of Donny, its wet and windy, and gusty, heading your way, 15.28, it's worse. Edited November 14, 2019 by LadyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 If you go to ''Rain radar UK and Ireland'' it accurately shows the rain moving towards or away from you. It updates every 10 minutes, but you have to come out of it and go back into it to update it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 5 hours ago, robtheplod said: As a newbie am I right in thinking most canals would be ok here as they have overflows - assuming where they are overflowing is not flooded? Most notices seem to be of rivers... During the Boxing Day 2015 floods the River Calder flooded into the Rochdale and Calder & Hebble Canals in several places.This resulted in the destruction of a couple of bridges, complete washout of the canal embankment and the sinking of a number of boats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Todd Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Quiet a few canals have short river sections (eg Trent and Mersey at Alrewas, already mentioned) and these are liable to flooding or becoming impassable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen-in-Wellies Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Mike Todd said: Quiet a few canals have short river sections (eg Trent and Mersey at Alrewas, already mentioned) and these are liable to flooding or becoming impassable. Even if the canal doesn't have a river section, it can share a valley with a river and if it is not high enough above the normal river level, a flooding river can also flood the canal. @David Mack's example of the Calder & Hebble a few years ago. The canal shares the bottom of a deep valley with the river and in places there isn't much height difference between the two. There is a wide catchment in the hills around that quickly funnels the water in to the river. Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Looks like it has been Nottinghams turn for the flooding today which means plenty of water to head down the Trent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said: Looks like it has been Nottinghams turn for the flooding today which means plenty of water to head down the Trent. River gauge at Colwick has dropped a little . That may be because the sluices have been opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 And according to my Google feed rotherham station has flooded again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter X Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 14 hours ago, MoominPapa said: Our Oxford correspondent sends this picture of Isis lock this morning. I wonder if the river is coming over Dukes cut lock and feeding the canal? MP. That sounds quite plausible to me. Normally as I remember it, Dukes Cut lock takes a boat about one foot up from the river onto the canal, but with the whole non-tidal Thames on red boards, there will be a lot of water flowing into Dukes Cut from the river. That should mostly be flowing on out of it into the two weir streams past Kings lock, but I suppose that level will be higher than usual, maybe high enough to also flow into the canal, and hence on down to Isis lock. Maybe we have a forum member on the spot who can take a look? Another theory I can suggest is that as the Cherwell has been flooding into the canal further up, that water will be finding its way via all the lock bywashes all the way down to Isis lock. Then probably over the bottom gate and back into the river, assuming enough water is escaping over the weir at Osney lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter X Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 I get the feeling this has been a particularly soggy autumn. With so much rain lately all over the place, I imagine many canals will have higher water levels than usual, with water flowing along them and down the bywashes. People not used to rivers will be needing to moor as if they are on one, with the upstream end well secured and a bit of slack in the lines. I'm off for an afternoon on the Regent's canal on Saturday, and the forecast is for more rain, notably in the south east on Friday morning, so I expect to see some water flowing along there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Peter X said: I get the feeling this has been a particularly soggy autumn. Around here, Newark, we have certainly seen the most prolonged period of flooding and flood risk that comes to mind. The A1 being closed due to water flowing off fields (last week) was not something I recall happening previously. It is concerning the the slightest rain impacts immediately on river levels since the land is totally swamped. A little further North is under water, as are large areas of Lincolnshire. Sounds like down south it has just been a bit damp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-50406938 ETA, Link from other closed thread. Edited November 15, 2019 by rusty69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearley Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 11 hours ago, MartynG said: River gauge at Colwick has dropped a little . That may be because the sluices have been opened. And now up again. And predicted to rise even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, pearley said: And now up again. And predicted to rise even more. Yes but predicted to be no worse than a week ago and levels falling again tomorrow. Looks like the EA regulated the sluices at Colwick appropriately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scholar Gypsy Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Peter X said: That sounds quite plausible to me. Normally as I remember it, Dukes Cut lock takes a boat about one foot up from the river onto the canal, but with the whole non-tidal Thames on red boards, there will be a lot of water flowing into Dukes Cut from the river. That should mostly be flowing on out of it into the two weir streams past Kings lock, but I suppose that level will be higher than usual, maybe high enough to also flow into the canal, and hence on down to Isis lock. Maybe we have a forum member on the spot who can take a look? Another theory I can suggest is that as the Cherwell has been flooding into the canal further up, that water will be finding its way via all the lock bywashes all the way down to Isis lock. Then probably over the bottom gate and back into the river, assuming enough water is escaping over the weir at Osney lock. The lock at Dukes Cut takes you down from the river to the canal. The other set of gates, pointing the other way, were removed a long time ago (pre-1970). But it may well be underwater anyway, as you say. The Cherwell is indeed overflowing into the canal at Shipton-on-Cherwell, and that will be causing problems. (I can't find the photo I saw yesterday). As far as I remember, there are no overflow weirs between Thrupp and Isis Lock, and of course overflows only work if the canal is higher than the river they lead to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHS Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 Alrewas closed again. Didn’t take long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, MartynG said: Around here, Newark, we have certainly seen the most prolonged period of flooding and flood risk that comes to mind. The A1 being closed due to water flowing off fields (last week) was not something I recall happening previously. It is concerning the the slightest rain impacts immediately on river levels since the land is totally swamped. A little further North is under water, as are large areas of Lincolnshire. Sounds like down south it has just been a bit damp. The A1 was closed again last night. 1 hour ago, rusty69 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-50406938 ETA, Link from other closed thread. Yes. It seems CRT have some questions to answer on that decision which led to the flooding of the town! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoominPapa Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, rusty69 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-50406938 ETA, Link from other closed thread. Navigation authority and engineering maintenance organisation turns into pseudo National Trust and then has problems running navigations. Who'da thunk it? MP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoominPapa Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Scholar Gypsy said: The lock at Dukes Cut takes you down from the river to the canal. The other set of gates, pointing the other way, were removed a long time ago (pre-1970). But it may well be underwater anyway, as you say. The Cherwell is indeed overflowing into the canal at Shipton-on-Cherwell, and that will be causing problems. (I can't find the photo I saw yesterday). As far as I remember, there are no overflow weirs between Thrupp and Isis Lock, and of course overflows only work if the canal is higher than the river they lead to. There's a long overflow weir into Castle Mill stream just above Isis Lock, and given that there's a fall across the top gate in that picture, there must have been some fall left across the weir. Out of interest, next to the weir is the outfall from a pump which runs periodically to dump the surface water from Jericho into the Mill Stream. I imagine that's working quite hard at the moment. MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave123 Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Just seen that the canal below Stoke Bruerne is closed. The Tove must be flowing into the canal there. It can be quite fierce and catches people out. Had to slacken a neighbours lines at Grafton Regis a couple of years ago as people don't realise that pound can become a river?! The Kennet where I am now seems to be holding it's level ok for now though? Edited November 15, 2019 by Dave123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Dave123 said: Just seen that the canal below Stoke Bruerne is closed. The Tove must be flowing into the canal there. It can be quite fierce and catches people out. Had to slacken a neighbours lines at Grafton Regis a couple of years ago as people don't realise that pound can become a river?! The Kennet where I am now seems to be holding it's level ok for now though? That's nothing, last time that flooded properly, there were boats all over the fields to the left in the picture(you can just see the long term mooring boats through the trees) took them years to get a couple back in due to access difficulties Edited November 15, 2019 by matty40s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scholar Gypsy Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 32 minutes ago, MoominPapa said: There's a long overflow weir into Castle Mill stream just above Isis Lock, and given that there's a fall across the top gate in that picture, there must have been some fall left across the weir. Out of interest, next to the weir is the outfall from a pump which runs periodically to dump the surface water from Jericho into the Mill Stream. I imagine that's working quite hard at the moment. MP. Sorry, my post was unclear. I meant to say there were no overflows between Thrupp and this one (I think there are two actually) just above Isis Lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoominPapa Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Scholar Gypsy said: this one (I think there are two actually) just above Isis Lock. I think you're right, and now I consider it, there's a third right at the end of the arm, also into the Mill stream. MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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