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2 minutes ago, Slim said:

Some years ago a friend retired and got a part time job driving people to and from hospitals, daycare centres etc. He was sent on one 'elf and Safety' course where they were given instruction on the use of a fire extinguisher which was accessible from the driving seat. They were told that the extinguisher was intended to aid their personal escape from the vehicle in the event of a fire. They were specifically told not to attempt to help passengers but to call the emergency services. I have no reason to doubt that this was what they were told.

Yes, I'm absolute sure that was what they were told, the idea is that you get yourself to safety so that you CAN call 999, the thinking being that if you stay to help first you might not be able to call anybody every again. So get to safety > Call 999 > Assess the situation > Help if you can > Don't help if you are going to make the lives of the emergency services harder in the long run. Trying to be a hero when you don't have any training often makes you nothing more than a liability. 

 

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1 hour ago, Slim said:

Some years ago a friend retired and got a part time job driving people to and from hospitals, daycare centres etc. He was sent on one 'elf and Safety' course where they were given instruction on the use of a fire extinguisher which was accessible from the driving seat. They were told that the extinguisher was intended to aid their personal escape from the vehicle in the event of a fire. They were specifically told not to attempt to help passengers but to call the emergency services. I have no reason to doubt that this was what they were told.

I don't understand elfinsafety nonsense at all.    I did a weighty 3 week H&S course with BP and we were advised similarly - the extinguisher is only used to assist the person carrying it to escape, not to fight a fire.

No doubt it comes down to legal issues, and it would seem (as usual) lawyers know more about H&S than the experts and specialists, and they produce guidelines that must be used, primarily to protect the Company from legal action and nothing else.  .....   FFS !!   

When I started work in construction the industry was headed up by engineers.  Then accountants took over.  Now it's the legal louts who often don't know their arse from their elbow.   I'm happily retired and out of all that carp.

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2 hours ago, Slim said:

Some years ago a friend retired and got a part time job driving people to and from hospitals, daycare centres etc. He was sent on one 'elf and Safety' course where they were given instruction on the use of a fire extinguisher which was accessible from the driving seat. They were told that the extinguisher was intended to aid their personal escape from the vehicle in the event of a fire. They were specifically told not to attempt to help passengers but to call the emergency services. I have no reason to doubt that this was what they were told.

Ahhh but they know you would not walk off if only a small engine fire and would help your passengers out, of course should the fire flare up and you got a few burns saving people, you could not sue the ‘employer’ as they specifically told you not to do it.  Lawyers.........

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BT removed the fire extinguishers from am, their vehicles except those towing fuel bowsers and thus operating under ADR, which makes fire extinguishers mandatory. 

 

This decision was taken after reviewing data that showed technicians who tried to fight vehicle fire were often injured, whereas those who just got out without trying to fight the fire were not.

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I suspect for a company there is a level of not wanting to get sued or perhaps even the most psychopathic business owner knows that people are supposed to be more important than things and that in times of shock and or trauma people do unadvisable things. 

 

The other aspect of it I suppose is that they don't want a fire fighter to have to put their life in danger in order to save you form your own stupidity. 

 

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2 hours ago, Murflynn said:

I don't understand elfinsafety nonsense at all.    I did a weighty 3 week H&S course with BP and we were advised similarly - the extinguisher is only used to assist the person carrying it to escape, not to fight a fire.

No doubt it comes down to legal issues, and it would seem (as usual) lawyers know more about H&S than the experts and specialists, and they produce guidelines that must be used, primarily to protect the Company from legal action and nothing else.  .....   FFS !!   

When I started work in construction the industry was headed up by engineers.  Then accountants took over.  Now it's the legal louts who often don't know their arse from their elbow.   I'm happily retired and out of all that carp.

I will introduce you to my little girl. She is an elf and safety ossifer for the HSE on the construction side, you should get on well lol . The stupidity of it all is she will tell you herself she couldnt construct anything or know even where to start but knows what is safe or not!! Trouble now in life is a Uni degree and in her case also a masters trumps real world experience, in my view to be able to close down a site etc which she sometimes does whilst I appreciate her qualifications I also think such people should also be experienced in the field they control in such a way.

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18 minutes ago, Ange said:

Oh for the days before this ridiculous elf and safety when people routinely died or suffered life changing injuries at work.

The world's gone mad!

 

Exactly, as the attached graph taken from tthe HSE website for the construction industry clearly shows.

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4 hours ago, Tumshie said:

Yes, I'm absolute sure that was what they were told, the idea is that you get yourself to safety so that you CAN call 999, the thinking being that if you stay to help first you might not be able to call anybody every again. So get to safety > Call 999 > Assess the situation > Help if you can > Don't help if you are going to make the lives of the emergency services harder in the long run. Trying to be a hero when you don't have any training often makes you nothing more than a liability. 

 

You got in too late with the sensible post the h&s gorn mad brigade is on a roll

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4 minutes ago, Ange said:

Oh for the days before this ridiculous elf and safety when people routinely died or suffered life changing injuries at work.

The world's gone mad!

1 minute ago, tree monkey said:

You got in too late with the sensible post the h&s gorn mad brigade is on a roll

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Ah the need to relive the 70's is a potent thing... Gotta love those glory days. :giggles:

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Interestingly there was a thread on Facebook, A Narrowboat on the Trent moored with three lines, bow stern and centre, as probably most of you know river levels have been rising so the boat was listing at an alarming angle and someone was asking what to do, they had contacted CTR and the answers were, untie the center rope, cut the center rope as the knots wont move, don't touch it because if things inside get damage when it suddenly rights itself you may get sued.

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56 minutes ago, Tumshie said:

Well it was definitely better than the fashions of the time that's for sure. ?

 

You have a point there. When my kids looked through my wedding album they were in fits of laughter. It was the first time they had seen me with long hair, platform shoes, kipper ties and flares.?

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5 minutes ago, cuthound said:

 

You have a point there. When my kids lookedv through my wedding album thry were in fits of laughter. It was the first time they had seen me with long hair, platform shoes, nipper ties and flares.?

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2 minutes ago, cuthound said:

 

You have a point there. When my kids lookedv through my wedding album thry were in fits of laughter. It was the first time they had seen me with long hair, platform shoes, nipper ties and flares.?

All that nylon and polyester is just more than I can cope with. ? 

 

 

 

 

 

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