Another canal side property for sale

[BEngo]

2 hours ago, Rob-M said:

No mention of how many times it has been flooded in recent years.

Strange that.  Maybe there is a Nobel for a new branch of maths in the offing.

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[mark99]

40 moorings?

 

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/103136957#/

 

 

Edited February 21, 2021 by mark99

[GRLMK38]

On 28/01/2021 at 20:56, John Brightley said:

Two CRT lock cottages for sale by auction on 17th February:

Hanham Lock, near Bristol https://bidx1.com/en/en-gb/auction/property/48141

 

 

 

 

Sold for £371K - anybody on here?

[Tim Lewis]

On 21/02/2021 at 07:43, mark99 said:

40 moorings?

 

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/103136957#/

 

 

 

A few yards from my parents first house!

 

[NB DW2]

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/96453656#/

 

Not the first time it's been up for sale in the last 12 months.  It's very reasonably priced for what it is and where it is but has been hanging around for ages.

[Tim Lewis]

Stourport, on private arm:

 

3 bedroom detached house for sale in Prospect Road, Stourport-On-Severn DY13 9DF, DY13 (rightmove.co.uk)

 

[Athy]

That ticks many boxes, it's well appointed, reasonably priced and the secluded mooring (if granted by CART) is very appealing. It does appear to lack proper fireplaces, which would put us off it.

[doratheexplorer]

Looks like you could moor quite a few boats in there, for a decent income return.  I suspect there's some kind of snag though which would prevent it.  The particulars refer to it being in a Conservation Area and to TPOs which wouldn't help.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Athy said:

That ticks many boxes, it's well appointed, reasonably priced and the secluded mooring (if granted by CART) is very appealing. It does appear to lack proper fireplaces, which would put us off it.

 

But surely if you own that arm you wouldnt need any permission from crt? As you would for an EOG mooring alongside one of their waterways? Or maybe they could invoke something about access to their waterway from your own private arm?

 

Nigel Moore would have known I'm sure.

[Athy]

1 minute ago, The Happy Nomad said:

 

 

Nigel Moore would have known I'm sure.

Yes, he would. He is much missed.

 

Although the arm is described as "private", there's no indication that it belongs to that house. Indeed, as "consents and investigations" would be required before mooring there, probably not.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Athy said:

Yes, he would. He is much missed.

 

Although the arm is described as "private", there's no indication that it belongs to that house. Indeed, as "consents and investigations" would be required before mooring there, probably not.

 

One of the pictures clearly shows the arm is enclosed within the property boundry. The blue boat already moored to next door looks as if it is moored with permission of the actual owner. 

 

 

[Hudds Lad]

2 minutes ago, Athy said:

Yes, he would. He is much missed.

 

Although the arm is described as "private", there's no indication that it belongs to that house. Indeed, as "consents and investigations" would be required before mooring there, probably not.

you could wake up one morning to find a bunch of CRT workboats orange-baling-twined to your garden and trees

 

wonder if the original owner, who only recently had this built, looked into it and got knocked back hence the sale ?

[Guest]

Google earth still shows what looks like some sort of redundant industrial unit on that site which perhaps the arm was built to serve,

[Athy]

2 minutes ago, The Happy Nomad said:

Google earth still shows what looks like some sort of redundant industrial unit on that site which perhaps the arm was built to serve,

I imagine that it would have been a factory arm of some kind, yes. All credit to whoever decided to retain it rather than filling it in.

 

Someone on here will know about old canal arms in the Kidderminster area!

[Hudds Lad]

actually, now looking at google earth it looks like it was parcelled with the house on the end with the blue boat, possibly one of these occasions where they’ve sold off the large garden as a building plot to make a few quid and cut back on the gardening  

it’s certainly very interesting, not Edwardian/Victorian enough for us though

[Dorlan]

The arm was the Mitton railway basin, the only railway / canal interchange on the main line of the Staffs/Worcs Canal.

Most of the traffic was steel from South Wales for the Wilden and Stourvale works and coal from Highley Colliery.

 

 

Edited March 25, 2021 by Dorlan

[Athy]

Excellent info, Dorlan!

[mark99]

[Rob-M]

We regularly wind in that arm when we have a working boat in Stourport. It usually has a chain across the end stopping you boating in to the arm.

[Guest]

Canal Plan refers to it as 'Railway Interchange Basin'.

 

It also clarifies the purpose of the large brick structure in the garden of the other house at the canal side. It was apparently to prevent any wagons that over ran the buffers form running into the canal.

 

https://canalplan.org.uk/place/nf1j

[Jonkx]

This is fascinating. So the question is, if you bought the house do you get the arm, and rights to moor any boats there?

[Athy]

1 hour ago, The Happy Nomad said:

Canal Plan refers to it as 'Railway Interchange Basin'.

 

It also clarifies the purpose of the large brick structure in the garden of the other house at the canal side. It was apparently to prevent any wagons that over ran the buffers form running into the canal.

 

https://canalplan.org.uk/place/nf1j

Crude, but probably very effective.

3 minutes ago, Jonkx said:

This is fascinating. So the question is, if you bought the house do you get the arm, and rights to moor any boats there?

I suspect that a) no, b) yes - subject to permission from whoever owns the arm (would it be CART?)

[Jonkx]

But would it not belong to you, as per the red line on the plan, so you could do whatever within reason you wanted in it? Or is that red line not the property ownership? Unless there's some sort of deed or agreement between CRT and the arm owner? 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Jonkx said:

This is fascinating. So the question is, if you bought the house do you get the arm, and rights to moor any boats there?

 

There is a caveat in the listing about mooring being subject to 'further investigations and registrations' or some such.

 

It would be interesting to see the plot on the land registry to see if the plot really does include the arm as per the advert. That I guess would be the starting point and determine what if any approval is needed form the navigation authority ie CRT.

[doratheexplorer]

15 minutes ago, Jonkx said:

This is fascinating. So the question is, if you bought the house do you get the arm, and rights to moor any boats there?

The red line boundary on the plan should define the boundary so, yes, you would own the arm.  But as the arm receives its water from the CRT canal, they would still retain rights over the water.  Mooring boats (plural) there could be a problem as it would likely require planning permission and the Conservation Area restrictions could make things tricky.

 

Another interesting question would be:  If the red line boundary is correct, and you moored your boat there; would you need a CRT licence?

Edited March 25, 2021 by doratheexplorer