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Wiltshire canal boat family face eviction 'for not moving enough'


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29 minutes ago, Boater Sam said:

The cheats and free loaders of this world will always find any excuse to make their way of living seem plausible. But at the final analysis they are bums who are abusing the system and everyone else.

spot on

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4 minutes ago, Nut said:

spot on

Anyone think they can justify disagreeing?

These folk and their ilk make me sick. They are the first in line for a handout, the last to do anything to better their lifestyle. And expect all those that obey the rules and have a better life by there own hard work to sympathise with them. Morally delinquent wastrils.

5 minutes ago, Nut said:

spot on

 

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14 minutes ago, Paul C said:

 

I understood it to be this:

1) New place every 14 days (as defined in the 95 Act)

2) Acceptable range of (is it?) 20 miles, as communicated by CRT quite widely, time period as "licence period" (that might be 6 months.....), which CRT say will satisfy them of "using the boat boda fide" etc etc etc

 

So, there is no relaxation or exemption for those with school-age children, and the correspondence (which I understood was only sent to one family?) was merely an illustration of how the two requirements of being near a school during term time and the CCing movements, can be practically met.

The letter I quoted was a response to Michelle Donelon (MP)  from Richard Parry.

This was following some meetings they had had in response to letters received by the MP from 70 boater families.

 

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The same 'terms' were offered to a number of other boating families during 2018, but in 2019 C&RT said that no 'school term time cruising pattern' should be offered.

 

In a later development, it has emerged that CRT consider that anyone could follow its example term time cruising pattern and not be subject to enforcement action. Simon Cadek, CRT Enforcement Supervisor for London, said in an email dated 30th August 2018 that:

“The Trust’s position is that it is possible for those with school age children to stay in a smaller area during term time and to cruise in a wider range during the holidays and as this isn’t a special exception or adjustment, it follows that anyone (with or without children) would not fall into our various processes if they carried on a similar pattern.”

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2 hours ago, zenataomm said:

What on earth are you saying?

Since when has having children been a legitimate reason for thinking you can ignore rules?

Not so much a case of ignoring rules; more that different rules apply. Has been the case for a good number of years now. The interpretation of 'equality' used to mean that the rules of society applied to all. Nowadays different rules apply to different groups with the aim that the result is the same: 'Equality'. We can see this in many ways; the welfare state and the judiciary being just two examples.

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1 hour ago, The Welsh Cruiser said:

Not so much a case of ignoring rules; more that different rules apply. Has been the case for a good number of years now. The interpretation of 'equality' used to mean that the rules of society applied to all. Nowadays different rules apply to different groups with the aim that the result is the same: 'Equality'. We can see this in many ways; the welfare state and the judiciary being just two examples.

I have nothing but disdain for those that use children as a bargaining chip.

They are not pawns, and they rely on their guardians to protect them and give them the best life they can.

If you want to live on a boat and the lifestyle doesn't suit the basic needs of children then what kind of selfish ar5e would insist on doing it?

 

If they were to go down that route I'd expect Social Services to step in.  And no child should have that interference thrust on them.

 

 

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34 minutes ago, roland elsdon said:

Part of the reason we did not have children was because of our lifestyle choice of living on the boats.

The other of course being that boating day in day out with a pair of boats  or going to work to pay ( remember having to do that in the old days) for them  we didnt have time or energy for children

the 'good people' apparently made their decisions about location and not having a mooring before they had kids of school age. 

it would seem they couldn't plan their way out of a paper bag.

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47 minutes ago, roland elsdon said:

Part of the reason we did not have children was because of our lifestyle choice of living on the boats.

The other of course being that boating day in day out with a pair of boats  or going to work to pay ( remember having to do that in the old days) for them  we didnt have time or energy for children

Ditto!

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4 hours ago, Paul C said:

 

I understood it to be this:

1) New place every 14 days (as defined in the 95 Act)

2) Acceptable range of (is it?) 20 miles, as communicated by CRT quite widely, time period as "licence period" (that might be 6 months.....), which CRT say will satisfy them of "using the boat boda fide" etc etc etc

 

So, there is no relaxation or exemption for those with school-age children, and the correspondence (which I understood was only sent to one family?) was merely an illustration of how the two requirements of being near a school during term time and the CCing movements, can be practically met.

How many times does it have to be said: it is not the case that a range of 20 miles is acceptable but that one of less than 20 is unacceptable.

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30 minutes ago, Mike Todd said:

it is not the case that a range of 20 miles is acceptable

It quite possibly is, but, they cannot say that.

 

Reading up on the 'term time cruising plan' - allegedly it was withdrawn early 2019 after taking legal advice.

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16 hours ago, Paul C said:

Acceptable range of (is it?) 20 miles, as communicated by CRT quite widely, time period as "licence period" (that might be 6 months.....), which CRT say will satisfy them of "using the boat boda fide"

No, there’s an important difference. CRT say a range of less than 20 miles is unlikely to satisfy them, not the same thing at all.

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13 hours ago, zenataomm said:

Ditto!

seems very unfair to me.   

 

surely when you decide to have children it is up to the NHS to make sure your systems work, and then to deliver a bouncing baby to your door, and then it is up to the DHSS and the council to support you and the kids till they leave home (at which point they will make their own arrangements with the council), and up to the DoE to look after them 9 to 4 weekdays for 39 weeks of the year while you get some peace to dangle a hook in the cut, and up to the council again to find them summat to do during the remaining 13 weeks. 

 

oh, and if you allow your child to eat nothing but white bread, crisps and coca-cola then the NHS will look after him when he goes blind and deaf and he can't watch telly any more.  not your problem.

 

innit?

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1 hour ago, Murflynn said:

seems very unfair to me.   

 

surely when you decide to have children it is up to the NHS to make sure your systems work, and then to deliver a bouncing baby to your door, and then it is up to the DHSS and the council to support you and the kids till they leave home (at which point they will make their own arrangements with the council), and up to the DoE to look after them 9 to 4 weekdays for 39 weeks of the year while you get some peace to dangle a hook in the cut, and up to the council again to find them summat to do during the remaining 13 weeks. 

 

oh, and if you allow your child to eat nothing but white bread, crisps and coca-cola then the NHS will look after him when he goes blind and deaf and he can't watch telly any more.  not your problem.

 

innit?

Definition of a freeloader succinctly put, greenie.

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