2 weeks boating in my electric boat

[Phil Ambrose]

17 minutes ago, Graham Davis said:

I have no drive, and I am not allowed to have one.
I have no garage on my property, and no room to build one.
I have no street lights to have a recharge point fitted to.

Yes it might partly be my problem, but until someone comes up with a feasible, practical and reasonable solution I will keep asking the question.
 

You can always do as many already do......... dangle a lead out of the window.

Phil

[StephenA]

7 minutes ago, Phil Ambrose said:

You can always do as many already do......... dangle a lead out of the window.

Phil

trailing mains power leads over a public pathway.... like that's not going to lead to problems.

[Graham Davis]

10 minutes ago, Phil Ambrose said:

You can always do as many already do......... dangle a lead out of the window.

Phil

I'd have a job, since we live in a bungalow, plus you aren't allowed to have a lead across a pavement.

[Iain_S]

On 16/08/2019 at 11:14, Onionman said:

(snip)

It'll take the EU to legislate a type approval for charging points. Which they will do but the technology is new. They'll do it soon (as the EU fights restrictive practices like this by businesses) then you'll be able to cross Europe and use any charger anywhere and it'll fit your vehicle.

But, of course, that won't apply in the U.K.  Can't have the E.U. dictating to our sovereign law makers!

[Onionman]

9 hours ago, frangar said:

I can refuel my diesel car in 5 minutes which then takes me about 500 miles....just not possible with an EV. Or should I start buying shares in Costa...cos an awful lot of coffee is going to be drunk either waiting for a free charging point or waiting at a service station for the car to charge. 

 

 

 

Yes, at the moment it'll take a bit longer - though I wouldn't bet on it not improving, given recent improvements. However, even if there were no improvements in charging times, not every change comes with no cost. Either have a cup of coffee when you fill up (15 minutes with the V3 chargers for 225 miles) or keep on as you are and say "F--- you" to your kids' and grandkids' generation. "Sorry about your future but I couldn't be bothered to wait 15 minutes once a week." (By the way, before you say it, I know some people do more than 225 miles a week but 230 is the UK average. I know you're looking for objections)

 

Now I know your next response will be yet another silly objection that no-one would think of but that's your habit and I'll no longer be feeding it. Good luck with the inflexibility.

 

5 hours ago, Iain_S said:

But, of course, that won't apply in the U.K.  Can't have the E.U. dictating to our sovereign law makers!

 

Indeed.

 

One of the unsung joys of Brexit is that we'll end up having to follow EU rules (over things like this) and we'll have literally no say. What an absolute triumph!

[peterboat]

9 hours ago, frangar said:

We will see! You do realise that it was protest which saved the canals don’t you??....oh and I was right...you are sanctimonious! 

And it wont matter a jot how much you protest they are banning/making people pay to enter areas with diesel engines so you wont get much sympathy from the thousands that are suffering from poor air quality. Also they can point to the past and say buy a horse to pull the boat if you want it to be authentic

[Phil Ambrose]

20 hours ago, Graham Davis said:

I'd have a job, since we live in a bungalow, plus you aren't allowed to have a lead across a pavement.

There are many things you are not allowed to do but that never stopped anyone 

Phil

[nb Innisfree]

An overhead gantry a la F1 pitstop, sounds like an interesting project. 

 

[Tumshie]

12 minutes ago, Phil Ambrose said:

There are many things you are not allowed to do but that never stopped anyone 

Phil

To the best of my knowledge it's not illegal but don't quote me on that, if anybody was going to do it I would recommend they use a cable ramp.  

 

[StephenA]

We keep drifting away from boats and back onto EVs. Given the problems with EV charging schemes (my work place for example couldn't put in more than a couple of charging points as we're already overflowing the car park) how likely is is that even if someone comes up with a workable, reasonable cost, electric system for boats, that lets people do 8 hours a day, each day, that there will ever be a charging infrastructure to support these boats, and to handle the peak load in the summer months at popular overnight stopping points such as Nantwich and Middlewich.

3 hours ago, Phil Ambrose said:

There are many things you are not allowed to do but that never stopped anyone 

Phil

until someone gets sued for it. Given that people sue councils for tripping over uneven paving stones it wont be long before someone sues for tripping over a power cable lying across a public walkway. There are even tales of cyclists suing boaters over mooring pins on towpaths.

[peterboat]

2 minutes ago, StephenA said:

We keep drifting away from boats and back onto EVs. Given the problems with EV charging schemes (my work place for example couldn't put in more than a couple of charging points as we're already overflowing the car park) how likely is is that even if someone comes up with a workable, reasonable cost, electric system for boats, that lets people do 8 hours a day, each day, that there will ever be a charging infrastructure to support these boats, and to handle the peak load in the summer months at popular overnight stopping points such as Nantwich and Middlewich.

Its not their problem is it though? They dont provide you with diesel at the moment do they? Its your problem to fuel your boat so why should it change in the future?

[StephenA]

7 hours ago, peterboat said:

Its not their problem is it though? They dont provide you with diesel at the moment do they? Its your problem to fuel your boat so why should it change in the future?

There you go again. They don't provide me with diesel - but I can go to a boat yard and keep my 250 litre tank filled up - if I don't then fill up for 2 weeks as I do a couple of hundred miles  then that's my choice. There is, at the moment, no equivalent of the same situation for electric canal boats.

 

As no-one can even work out how to keep a nation of EV's fuelled up without investing billions in infrastructure the chances of anyone working out how to keep a few thousand canal boats on the move are just about zero.

[MtB]

14 minutes ago, StephenA said:

As no-one can even work out how to keep a nation of EV's fuelled up without investing billions in infrastructure the chances of anyone working out how to keep a few thousand canal boats on the move are just about zero.

 

Which is kind of the point isn't it?

 

If/when it comes to pass (as seems likely, eventually), that burning fossil fuels on boats comes to pass, what WILL people do, given your forecast that no network of charging points will ever get installed?

 

1) Stop boating?

2) Take the three hours a day in good weather Peter demonstrates is already possible?

3) Something else?

 

I think the whole thing plays straight in to CRT's hands. Living aboard in a civilised manner will no long be possible, nor will proper CCing. Great for CRT! Should we anticipate and plan for this? Or just keep coming up with streams of reasons why it can't possibly happen, like "When I cruise, I cruise 8 hours a day"?

 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2019 by Mike the Boilerman
Spelling.

[cuthound]

1 hour ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Which is kind of the point isn't it?

 

If/when it comes to pass (as seems likely, eventually), that burning fossil fuels on boats comes to pass, what WILL people do, given your forecast that no network of charging points will ever get installed?

 

1) Stop boating?

2) Take the three hours a day in good weather Peter demonstrates is already possible?

3) Something else?

 

I think the whole thing plays straight in to CRT's hands. Living aboard in a civilised manner will no long be possible, nor will proper CCing. Great for CRT! Should we anticipate and plan for this? Or just keep coming up with streams of reasons why it can't possibly happen, like "When I cruise, I cruise 8 hours a day"?

 

 

 

 

Faced with the prospect of havingto stump up millions for a charging infrastructure, (either directly or through green initiatives to private companies) I think the government will then be forced to take the pragmatic route and allow diesel engines for boats but to tax the fuel heavily.

 

The prototype diesel engines ran on peanut oil, so perhaps vegetable oilsor tne glycerine based fuel may be a way forward?

 

Found this on glycerine fuel, which claims iti s 97% carbon efficient.

 

https://www.motorship.com/news101/fuels-and-oils/nobodys-fuel...-yet

Edited August 20, 2019 by cuthound
To add the last paragraph

[MtB]

2 minutes ago, cuthound said:

 

The prototype diesel engines ran on peanut oil, so perhaps vegetable oilsor tne glycerine based fuel may be a way forward?

 

I was talking to a chemist who specialises in 'combustion' the other day about this, and he reckons the glycerine molecule will produce CO2 as any other fuel does when burned. Less per litre of fuel but probably just as much per kw of power produced. Glycerine and peanut oil are both quite hard to buy on the cut, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cuthound]

11 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

I was talking to a chemist who specialises in 'combustion' the other day about this, and he reckons the glycerine molecule will produce CO2 as any other fuel does when burned. Less per litre of fuel but probably just as much per kw of power produced. Glycerine and peanut oil are both quite hard to buy on the cut, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 The article I attached said 97% carbon efficient, which I reckon is a fancy term for the glycerine coming from a renewable crop, like biomass. If so the carbon released is "new" carbon, not millions of year old carbon, and quickly reabsorbed providing more trees are planted.

 

I think a worldwide tax on fossil fuels, which is used to bribe Amazon farmers to replant rather than cut down their rain forests is the way to go.

[Graham Davis]

14 hours ago, peterboat said:

Its not their problem is it though? They dont provide you with diesel at the moment do they? Its your problem to fuel your boat so why should it change in the future?

Is that your stock answer to everything?
Strikes me as a very selfish outlook; "I'm alright Jack but feck the rest of you"

[peterboat]

44 minutes ago, Graham Davis said:

Is that your stock answer to everything?
Strikes me as a very selfish outlook; "I'm alright Jack but feck the rest of you"

Have you heard the story of the wise and unwise virgin's? Well the writing on the wall has been clear for years about diesel if people don't read it then that is not my problem 

[Graham Davis]

 

1 hour ago, peterboat said:

Have you heard the story of the wise and unwise virgin's? Well the writing on the wall has been clear for years about diesel if people don't read it then that is not my problem 

So my second line is correct!

[peterboat]

20 minutes ago, Graham Davis said:

 

So my second line is correct!

Graham it really doesn't matter what you think or say peoples lives and health are more important than 8 hours cruising a day !!!

 

[frangar]

1 minute ago, peterboat said:

Graham it really doesn't matter what you think or say peoples lives and health are more important than 8 hours cruising a day !!!

 

So you’ve forbidden all your family to fly...made them all become vegan and banned them from having children?? If you haven’t I suggest you stop preaching to others. 

[Murflynn]

can we elect Peter as the modern day Messiah?

 

if we listen to him he will no doubt be the saviour of the human race.  if we don't we are all condemned to a living hell.

[frangar]

1 minute ago, Murflynn said:

can we elect Peter as the modern day Messiah?

 

if we listen to him he will no doubt be the saviour of the human race.  if we don't we are all condemned to a living hell.

I’ve long had my space in hell booked....it looks much more fun! 

[Jen-in-Wellies]

16 minutes ago, frangar said:

I’ve long had my space in hell booked....it looks much more fun! 

All that sulphur and burning pits. Clearly using fossil fuels. It will be closed down before you get there.

 

[cuthound]

31 minutes ago, Murflynn said:

can we elect Peter as the modern day Messiah?

 

if we listen to him he will no doubt be the saviour of the human race.  if we don't we are all condemned to a living hell.

 

Haven't we already has a St Peter? ?