Lizette Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 Hi All I have bought 3 Garden Trading St Ives mast lights. They use 6.5 W bulb (led). Can I just replace my current wall lights with these ? Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) It depends - these lights are designed for 230 volt AC (GU10 bulbs) Assuming you intend to use them on a boat, the majority of boats have lights that work on 12v DC Edited August 2, 2019 by Alan de Enfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizette Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Yes, but I have read that people are either getting bulbs that work with the standard fitting or can replace the actual bulb fitting to suit. Looking through the posts it seems as if one person is saying definitely not and then others are saying yes. I just need a clear idea on adaption, parts, led bulbs . What makes my light fitting only for 240v rather than 12 v? And what is it I need to change to use on the boat? Thanks Liza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johny London Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Lizette said: What makes my light fitting only for 240v rather than 12 v? And what is it I need to change to use on the boat? The fact that it'll be being supplied with 240v and not 12v - just changing the fitting won't alter that. If you are talking about putting a 240v fitting onto a 12v supply, then only 240v bulbs will fit so it wont work. If you want 12v light fittings, then buy those. There are plenty out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Lizette said: What makes my light fitting only for 240v rather than 12 v? And what is it I need to change to use on the boat? V is for Voltage, and voltage is the 'strength' of the electricity being fed by your boat to the wall lights. 240v is 20 times stronger than 12v, but infinitely more dangerous. Your wall lights could have either. If you take a bulb out, it will have the voltage marked on it somewhere, probably in tiny writing. If it says 12v you can't use those new lamps. If it says 240v then yes you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) The GU10 bulbs have two 'little mushrooms' as the terminals. I have never seen a 12v version (for obvious reasons). The 12 volt versions have two 'wire-pins' as terminals. You cannot get a 12v bulb to fit into your 240v bulb holder. GU10 bulb. 12 Volts equivalent MR16 Edited August 3, 2019 by Alan de Enfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbclive Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Could you please provide more info on why you purchased these fittings and for what purpose. ie what is their purpose on your boat, assuming they are for your boat? The better the information, the easier it will be for you to get some useful advice and perhaps some suggestions for some more suitable fittings. Photographs are often very useful to help explain things clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Lizette said: And what is it I need to change to use on the boat? Take off the 'shade' throw the rest away, buy a new light fitting (12v) and put the shade on it (it may fit) I take it these are the ones you have purchased : https://www.dusklights.co.uk/garden-trading-st-ives-exterior-galvanised-mast-light-p2841/s2847?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=garden-trading-st-ives-exterior-mast-light-dl-lahp30&utm_campaign=product%2Blisting%2Bads&cid=GBP&gclid=CjwKCAjw4ZTqBRBZEiwAHHxpfkNdbxtzn3Cha-gCRRAESrDxIVX7X1syDciXOtsIMKyb0l8Tuy7SoBoCdtUQAvD_BwE Why would you buy exterior 'garden' waterproof lights for use in your boat ? If there is a reason, maybe let us know so we can suggest 12volt alternatives. They use a 6.5w LED which is equivalent to about a standard 60w bulb - that is VERY big & bright for use in a boat. Edited August 3, 2019 by Alan de Enfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 If you want to use 12V MR16 bulbs in those lamps then you’ll need adaptors to change the GU10 socket to MR16. Loads of them about, such as these: https://www.vieep.com/index.php/10pcs-led-lamp-base-mr16-socket-gu10-to-mr16-adapter-converter-holder.html 50 minutes ago, Lizette said: I just need a clear idea on adaption, parts, led bulbs . Which MR16 LED bulbs you choose is entirely up to you. Bedazzled stock a wide range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizette Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Thanks wotever Because they are beautiful! lol If a slight adaption means they can be fitted on my boat then hooray! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizette Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Why wouldn't you want them on your boat? Sturdy and beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizette Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Not unlike myself ha ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, Lizette said: Why wouldn't you want them on your boat? Sturdy and beautiful. Maybe you like the 'industrial look' but to answer your question "because galvanised lamp shades would not fit in with the interior of my boat". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizette Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Different strokes for different folks ! I do understand about voltage Mike but my question was how can I change it from 240v to 12 volts! Thanks everyone, some useful and amusing comments. L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koukouvagia Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 I bought a 240v reading light; changed the plug to fit my 12v sockets on the boat; bought an LED bulb adaptor from Bedazzled and added a 12v LED bulb. A very straightforward changeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, Lizette said: Different strokes for different folks ! I do understand about voltage Mike but my question was how can I change it from 240v to 12 volts! Thanks everyone, some useful and amusing comments. L Yes as long as you fit 12V DC bulbs and accept that if it has its own switch then operating it on DC may shorten the life of the switch. Voltage is pressure trying to push electrons out of the wire so insulation for 240 volts would have no trouble with 12V. However if the makers have used very thin wires then with halogen bulbs there might be a voltdrop issue but less likely if you change 240V halogen for 12V LED. So maybe not the straightest answer you were expecting. I think the things are pig ugly and would not give them house or garden room but that is personal taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizette Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Thanks. So, not as complicated as some have asserted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizette Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Tony Thanks for your comments . As I said to a previous poster. Different strokes. The world is made up of many people with varying tastes. I didn't ask anyone for their opinion on my choice of lights. I asked for advice. Unfortunately ,some people use these forums for being rude to others. My parents always told me if you have nothing nice to say ,say nothing! Good advice, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Lizette said: Tony Thanks for your comments . As I said to a previous poster. Different strokes. The world is made up of many people with varying tastes. I didn't ask anyone for their opinion on my choice of lights. I asked for advice. Unfortunately ,some people use these forums for being rude to others. My parents always told me if you have nothing nice to say ,say nothing! Good advice, I think. You tell’em! Trouble is lots of peeps on here have been here since God was a boy and ferl very comfortsble and chatty but forget to welcome new posters. Forum also gets very swervy-offy-topicy. You seem perfectly able to hold your end up and have a lovely sense of humour so i think you’ll be a great new member if you stick around. So welcome, seeing as no-one else has said it so far!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) Trouble is that this is a discussion forum and things get discussed. It is not a "private advice" forum where the original poster can dictate what is said. This is not aimed at you but the demand for replies only conforming to the OP's requirements are becoming more and more common and in my case it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Again, not aimed at you because you have not been brusque or rude if people do not want discussions about their topic the simplest way is not to ask on a discussion forum. I am sure there are paid for sources of advice available. I pass no comment on your taste, just my own as far as these lights are concerned. Yes, agree with Mike, Welcome. Edited August 3, 2019 by Tony Brooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizette Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Thanks Mike Yes, I have noticed the "swervy, offy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacka Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Lizette said: Tony Thanks for your comments . As I said to a previous poster. Different strokes. The world is made up of many people with varying tastes. I didn't ask anyone for their opinion on my choice of lights. I asked for advice. Unfortunately ,some people use these forums for being rude to others. My parents always told me if you have nothing nice to say ,say nothing! Good advice, I think. Put this number into eBay search box 320892287124 it is for a gu10 to mr16 adaptor. As you know it does not convert voltage but allows you to run a gu10 fitting from 12v using 12volt mr16 base lamps. Probably 1 or 2 Watts is bright enough. the adaptor I used (same problem as you) was about 12mm deep but my fitting was reasonably deep and mr16 bulbs are a bit shallower than gu10, so it might bring the face of the bulb forward more than you want, but mine was fine. Sorry - don’t know how to turn off blue ink on this tablet. Edited August 3, 2019 by Chewbacka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumshie Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Lizette said: Thanks Mike Yes, I have noticed the "swervy, offy" Hi Lizzette and welcome to the forum. Just to go completely off topic, might I suggest that when you reply to people you quote them, this just helps to eliminate any confusion, the quote button is at the bottom of every post that's made. If you want to include someone in the conversation but they haven't posted a comment for you to quote then you can use the at sign, as you type their name that will give you a dropdown box from which you click on the name of the person you want to tag, like so @Lizette. I hope all that makes sense. If you do know all this already then please forgive my intrusion as this is meant with the best of intentions and only to help. Tumsh. Edited August 3, 2019 by Tumshie to add a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizette Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Thanks-? 18 minutes ago, Chewbacka said: Put this number into eBay search box 320892287124 it is for a gu10 to mr16 adaptor. As you know it does not convert voltage but allows you to run a gu10 fitting from 12v using 12volt mr16 base lamps. Probably 1 or 2 Watts is bright enough. the adaptor I used (same problem as you) was about 12mm deep but my fitting was reasonably deep and mr16 bulbs are a bit shallower than gu10, so it might bring the face of the bulb forward more than you want, but mine was fine. Sorry - don’t know how to turn off blue ink on this tablet. Thanks Chewbacka I always love your responses. That's very clear L 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizette Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said: Trouble is that this is a discussion forum and things get discussed. It is not a "private advice" forum where the original poster can dictate what is said. This is not aimed at you but the demand for replies only conforming to the OP's requirements are becoming more and more common and in my case it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Again, not aimed at you because you have not been brusque or rude if people do not want discussions about their topic the simplest way is not to ask on a discussion forum. I am sure there are paid for sources of advice available. I pass no comment on your taste, just my own as far as these lights are concerned. Yes, agree with Mike, Welcome. Hi Tony I am saying nothing at all- just as I was taught. I am sure we shall bump heads again- until the next time lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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