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Just wondering what the modern standard is regards narrowboat paint finish, is it oil based? 2 pack?

 

Are there RAL swatches....

 

Im doing a single colour, and I believe we are doing a primer and some filler.

 

just like to have a bit of research on it..

 

thanks

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1 hour ago, Charles_Graham said:

Just wondering what the modern standard is regards narrowboat paint finish, is it oil based? 2 pack?

 

Are there RAL swatches....

 

Im doing a single colour, and I believe we are doing a primer and some filler.

 

just like to have a bit of research on it..

 

thanks

Its, de rust, rust treatment ,fill dents, mask up, primer, undercoat, top couts,, light sanding de-nibbing between.  If your working outside you'll have to watch the weather. Personally I do it sectionally. say a 12' length and work on that to a complete finish. Then if the weathers ok another 12' section, this way you're less likely to get caught out.  Some folk spend hours, days rubbing down the whole boat then the weather turns bad and they have to keep rubbing it down every time they start work. Ideally you need to paint directly after rubbing down, there's lots of muck in the air.  You see loads of boats around all rubbed down with very little paintwork actually completed.   I use any decent single pack oil based paint.  Lay the paint off downwards to prevent sags and runs.

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Just bought some paint from TA industrial paints in Wolverhampton (also trade as Black Country Paints) they do paint to RAL colours, I have only used their non slip grey deck paint so far and that seems to be good stuff and comes without granules / grit which is what I wanted. Yet to try the gloss but even if you use a few coats of their paint and one top coat of hugely expensive 'narrowboat' paint I reckon ypu will save money

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9 hours ago, bizzard said:

................... I use any decent single pack oil based paint.  

I guess thats what I was wondering about. What the International brand yacht paint is.

 

And which primers go with this type of paint does anyone know?

 

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8 minutes ago, Charles_Graham said:

I guess thats what I was wondering about. What the International brand yacht paint is.

 

And which primers go with this type of paint does anyone know?

 

thanks

International do a full range, including primers, unfortunately, the range seems to come in with tins designed to the EU Lilliput standard of 750ml.

Craftsmaster primer, oil based undercoat of a similar colour(not the same- more difficult to see your top coat coverage).

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12 hours ago, bizzard said:

Its, de rust, rust treatment ,fill dents, mask up, primer, undercoat, top couts,, light sanding de-nibbing between.  If your working outside you'll have to watch the weather. Personally I do it sectionally. say a 12' length and work on that to a complete finish. Then if the weathers ok another 12' section, this way you're less likely to get caught out.  Some folk spend hours, days rubbing down the whole boat then the weather turns bad and they have to keep rubbing it down every time they start work. Ideally you need to paint directly after rubbing down, there's lots of muck in the air.  You see loads of boats around all rubbed down with very little paintwork actually completed.   I use any decent single pack oil based paint.  Lay the paint off downwards to prevent sags and runs.

Wiping the rubbed down surface with tack cloths immediately before painting helps to reduce surface dust.

 

I was taught by a coach painter to lay off upwards rather than downwards, particularly when there is an internal corner at the bottom of the panel, such as occurs where the cabin side meets the gunwale, as this prevents a collection of paint in that corner.

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Watch all of these videos from start to finish, more than once as appropriate, and you will know more about painting your boat than most people.

 

I kept an eye on the brands he was using, followed his tips as best I could, and got an amazing finish on my handrails, plus a fairly good finish on my roof.

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22 hours ago, Bee said:

Just bought some paint from TA industrial paints in Wolverhampton (also trade as Black Country Paints) they do paint to RAL colours, I have only used their non slip grey deck paint so far and that seems to be good stuff and comes without granules / grit which is what I wanted. Yet to try the gloss but even if you use a few coats of their paint and one top coat of hugely expensive 'narrowboat' paint I reckon ypu will save money

I found the website to be blocked by Bullguard, I can browse but that is all.

UPDATE 

They just emailed me the information sheet I wanted, Impressed.

 

PPS

Here is a [missing?] link

 

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8 hours ago, Richard10002 said:

Watch all of these videos from start to finish, more than once as appropriate, and you will know more about painting your boat than most people.

 

I kept an eye on the brands he was using, followed his tips as best I could, and got an amazing finish on my handrails, plus a fairly good finish on my roof.

Link please?

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Yes there are RAL swatches but they don't half cost. I was lucky to get a set of standard RAL plus the two normal BS swatches at a special price from an online pint supplier.

 

I know that i am not the only one on here who has decided that Johnsons professional gloss range is as good as any for DIY application. Certainly superior to the Masons I had professionally applied and a couple of second line "marin" paint suppliers products I had mixed to the masons formula.

 

I would also advise that you stick with RAL colours rather than the "house" colours from specialist manufacturers. Although no to paint mixes will be quiet the same and the paint will fade over time at least with RAL (or BS) you know where you are starting from and can usually get paint mixed locally.

 

 

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3 hours ago, LadyG said:

PPS

Here is a [missing?] link

 

Probably as good a job as any of us amateurs might aspire to although as Phil Speight once said to me “Yes, very interesting. Or you could come to one of my classes and learn how to do it properly.” ;)

 

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3 hours ago, Chris Williams said:

In my boating days, everyone swore by Woolworths paint.  Stank like hell, lasted for ever.  Made by Macpherson or something.

 

3 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

That was when paint was paint

 

3 hours ago, WotEver said:

And men were men, and sheep were nervous...

 

And Woolworths... existed. :(

 

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Unavailability of swatches is rather annoying - of course you can pick them up easy as anything for home paints (if you are after using Dulux as some have) but otherwise it is a problem.

Here is a spanner in the works though: The op mentioned oils or two pack, but there is an in between paint - Xylene based, which is basically like standard rattle can car paint, in so much as it goes off fast.

I have been using Jotun (from SML paints online). There is a huge range from Jotun but the Xylene ones are "conceal" (a thick, semi gloss finish with amazing coverage, as in it practically does in one coat) or they do a thinner, top coat. You cannot brush after rolling with this stuff - it goes off too fast - but that's the beauty of it. Roller the side of a boat, it's ready for the next coat! And no mucking around trying to keep doors/hatches pried open while drying over nite. Also limited open time = less bugs and dust in the finish. 

Do a thinned out last coat, or put several coats on then cut back. It is safe over oils too but you'll need to rub the old oils down well first. Once you are coated in Xylene based, future coats are a breeze - just ensure surface is clean and put the paint on - the old paint kind of re melts and it all bonds together!

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20 hours ago, Chris Williams said:

We found Dulux next to useless on boats.

Do be careful using anything containing Xylene.  It is very toxic and flammable.  OK out in the fresh air, but never use it inside.

I have painted vans using Valspar  paint, I bet its not the same today

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19 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

I have painted vans using Valspar  paint, I bet its not the same today

Me too. 

 

I painted our metal garage door with a dark red Dulux Weathershield High Gloss oil based paint a couple of years ago and absolutely loved it. It went on so easily it was like it painted itself. Two years on and it’s as shiny and hard as the day I applied it with little or no fading. But I’ve never painted a boat with it. 

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14 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

I have painted vans using Valspar  paint, I bet its not the same today

I remember Valspar, never used it on a boat, but it used to be good.

Seems that MacPhersons, who made Wooly's paint are now part of Crown.

No doubt the Safety 'elf has banned all sorts of good ingredients.  Used to use Red Lead inside the hull. 

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24 minutes ago, Chris Williams said:

I remember Valspar, never used it on a boat, but it used to be good.

I just recently (last week) used some Valspar emulsion paint - it is lovely stuff. No idea about their gloss paint these days though. 

52 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

I have painted vans using Valspar  paint, I bet its not the same today

I hand painted a Mini with Tekaloid once. It looked great. Shame I didn’t paint the subframes...

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