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On 25/02/2019 at 18:59, Alan de Enfield said:

Generally anyone who asks "how can I do the minimum to keep C&RT happy" will end up in trouble.

 

On 14/03/2019 at 19:36, Murflynn said:

anyone who needs to ask is not a bona-fide navigator according to his own conscience.

Groundhog day???

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On 14/03/2019 at 19:25, Chris Williams said:

Fine, as long as they are in a Marina, or elsewhere off the main line.  What we don't need is long lines of boats moored on the main line, so you have to slow right down.

True it is a pain, but as i said before that is the price you pay for having a functional canal system, a system with less boats and less licence fees wouldn't be faster to navigate because it would be economically unviable. There are no commercial boats that depend on speed anyway . 

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10 minutes ago, CompairHolman said:

True it is a pain, but as i said before that is the price you pay for having a functional canal system, a system with less boats and less licence fees wouldn't be faster to navigate because it would be economically unviable. There are no commercial boats that depend on speed anyway . 

You are quite right - just me living in the past.  But they were good times, I feel sorry for those who missed it.

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3 minutes ago, Chris Williams said:

You are quite right - just me living in the past.  But they were good times, I feel sorry for those who missed it.

 

In 20 years' time, NOW will be regarded as "they were good times".....

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

In 20 years' time, NOW will be regarded as "they were good times".....

 

 

In 20 years time the cut will be a silted-up aquatic caravan site.  "You mean people used to cruise on the canals"

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11 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

In 20 years' time, NOW will be regarded as "they were good times".....

 

 

The past usually seems better than the present...whether true or not.

 

Personally I quite enjoy looking at boats and never have a problem travelling at tick over past a line of moored boats. The communities of permanent linear moorings common on some canals like the south oxford add an enormous appeal and character to the canal for everyone, walkers and boaters alike. It would be of no benefit if they were all forced into marinas.

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14 minutes ago, Dave123 said:

The past usually seems better than the present...whether true or not.

 

Personally I quite enjoy looking at boats and never have a problem travelling at tick over past a line of moored boats. The communities of permanent linear moorings common on some canals like the south oxford add an enormous appeal and character to the canal for everyone, walkers and boaters alike. It would be of no benefit if they were all forced into marinas.

Completely agree. I have no problem with always passing at tickover, its just good manners. After all non of us are commercial boats rushing to make a living or should I say very very few are these days. Two boats have bashed past me today creating a wash, I dont go out and shout " Slow down " I just smile to myself as to how my manners and boat handling skills are a higher grade than theirs. Marinas serve a purpose, especialy for hobby boaters but lets hope it never becomes the norm.

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12 hours ago, Chris Williams said:

In 20 years time the cut will be a silted-up aquatic caravan site.  "You mean people used to cruise on the canals"

 

Given housing and infrastructure hasn't kept up with population in recent times:

  http://home.bt.com/news/news-extra/this-is-how-much-the-uk-population-has-grown-over-the-last-50-years-11364069531812

 

It's hardly surprising. As you say it can only get worse.

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1 hour ago, Dave123 said:

The past usually seems better than the present...whether true or not.

 

Personally I quite enjoy looking at boats and never have a problem travelling at tick over past a line of moored boats. The communities of permanent linear moorings common on some canals like the south oxford add an enormous appeal and character to the canal for everyone, walkers and boaters alike. It would be of no benefit if they were all forced into marinas.

I still am amazed that I got into this at all, sheer chance being invited on a holiday (which was a disaster, but I got the bug), found a knackered old tub I could actually afford, two boaty friends, one an engineer and the other a welder, and still, nearly thirty years later, with the same boat and having had a terrific time. Obviously it was better then, or there'd be nowt to grumble about, but it's still amazing out there. 

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21 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

I still am amazed that I got into this at all, sheer chance being invited on a holiday (which was a disaster, but I got the bug), found a knackered old tub I could actually afford, two boaty friends, one an engineer and the other a welder, and still, nearly thirty years later, with the same boat and having had a terrific time. Obviously it was better then, or there'd be nowt to grumble about, but it's still amazing out there. 

Its the best way I have found to waste my life

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1 hour ago, mrsmelly said:

Completely agree. I have no problem with always passing at tickover, its just good manners. After all non of us are commercial boats rushing to make a living or should I say very very few are these days. Two boats have bashed past me today creating a wash, I dont go out and shout " Slow down " I just smile to myself as to how my manners and boat handling skills are a higher grade than theirs. Marinas serve a purpose, especialy for hobby boaters but lets hope it never becomes the norm.

But there is tickover and tickover.

Followed a guy today for 2 miles who was doing about 0.5mph (guessed) past each row of boats. I was in neutral for 80% of the time and tickover for the rest. Good job the wind had dropped a bit since yesterday. There is slow and there is sloooooooooooow.

I always drop my speed considerably when passing boats but that was just too slow today. Even when passed the moored boats, this guy was barely doing 2mph - and it wasnt a deep draughted boat on a shallow canal.

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3 hours ago, Dave123 said:

Personally I quite enjoy looking at boats

There are boats which look nice, there are wrecks which some poor soul is trying to repair and there are those who just don't care how much drops off.   The same can be said for old buses, which I also like looking at, but they are not usually parked in long lines on the A303.

Yes, we have a housing crisis, led by developers who just want to maximise profit.  If people are prepared to live in old boats or buses, can we not build basic houses for them.  All they want is a roof over their heads.

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2 hours ago, Dr Bob said:

But there is tickover and tickover.

Followed a guy today for 2 miles who was doing about 0.5mph (guessed) past each row of boats. I was in neutral for 80% of the time and tickover for the rest. Good job the wind had dropped a bit since yesterday. There is slow and there is sloooooooooooow.

I always drop my speed considerably when passing boats but that was just too slow today. Even when passed the moored boats, this guy was barely doing 2mph - and it wasnt a deep draughted boat on a shallow canal.

exactly. 

any vessel needs to move fast enough to maintain 'steerage way' which varies depending on the weather, water depth and current conditions.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Chris Williams said:

There are boats which look nice, there are wrecks which some poor soul is trying to repair and there are those who just don't care how much drops off.   The same can be said for old buses, which I also like looking at, but they are not usually parked in long lines on the A303.

Yes, we have a housing crisis, led by developers who just want to maximise profit.  If people are prepared to live in old boats or buses, can we not build basic houses for them.  All they want is a roof over their heads.

 

Exactly, I welcome anyone to the canals who wants to boat and enjoy tne lifestyle, but do not want people who see boating as cheap accommodation and don't want to either pay for a mooring or move their boats around unless they are virtually forced to.

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You must see the world with your rose coloured glasses on if your reaction to that photo is 'interesting old buses'.

My reaction is 'what a muddy untidy scrapheap'; what a pity they chose to despoil the canal bank.

 

.......................  but then I am just a grumpy old reactionary.

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On 01/04/2019 at 15:08, Chris Williams said:

There are boats which look nice, there are wrecks which some poor soul is trying to repair and there are those who just don't care how much drops off.   The same can be said for old buses, which I also like looking at, but they are not usually parked in long lines on the A303.

Yes, we have a housing crisis, led by developers who just want to maximise profit.  If people are prepared to live in old boats or buses, can we not build basic houses for them.  All they want is a roof over their heads.

It is a shame that people see all developers as just profit makers as there are some who do specialise in building basic homes at the cheaper end of the market.

 

Yes they still make some profit,of course they do or they wouldn't be in business, but they don't make the huge headline profits of the larger companies. They provide cheap affordable housing often in partnership with the local authority or a housing association to provide an element of affordable social rented housing within the developments. as well. 

 

Perhaps they are not so well heard of as they don't have the flash advertising campaigns of the larger developments.

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31 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said:

It is a shame that people see all developers as just profit makers as there are some who do specialise in building basic homes at the cheaper end of the market.

 

Yes they still make some profit,of course they do or they wouldn't be in business, but they don't make the huge headline profits of the larger companies. They provide cheap affordable housing often in partnership with the local authority or a housing association to provide an element of affordable social rented housing within the developments. as well. 

 

Perhaps they are not so well heard of as they don't have the flash advertising campaigns of the larger developments.

Unfortunately some developers appear to have a different view on affordable housing to the rest of us.

A large canalside plot was recently for sale near us with the proviso that at least some of the 32 homes to be built were affordable, to first time buyers. 

A developer stepped up and presented their plans which was a small estate of 400k+ detached houses. Maybe they didn’t realise this is North Notts not Cheshire.

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11 hours ago, Chris Williams said:

Not sure where to put this, but this thread seems as good as any.  Gopsall Wharf, where we used to load coal.  Interesting old buses, etc, owned by travellers.

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I agree...interesting and colourful scene. Hardly a scrap heap imho

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5 hours ago, Murflynn said:

You must see the world with your rose coloured glasses on if your reaction to that photo is 'interesting old buses'.

My reaction is 'what a muddy untidy scrapheap'; what a pity they chose to despoil the canal bank.

 

.......................  but then I am just a grumpy old reactionary.

I happen to like seeing old buses put to some use, rather than scrapped.

The site is not muddy, we used to have eight-legger coal lorries loading our boats.

You do not know what condition the wharf is left in when they leave, they are not Irish Pikeys.

Enjoy your nice house, some people are less fortunate.

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4 hours ago, noddyboater said:

Unfortunately some developers appear to have a different view on affordable housing to the rest of us.

A large canalside plot was recently for sale near us with the proviso that at least some of the 32 homes to be built were affordable, to first time buyers. 

A developer stepped up and presented their plans which was a small estate of 400k+ detached houses. Maybe they didn’t realise this is North Notts not Cheshire.

What you probably have not seen are the S106 contriubutions that that have had to make to the local authority for the provision of affordable housing in the area.

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2 hours ago, Naughty Cal said:

What you probably have not seen are the S106 contriubutions that that have had to make to the local authority for the provision of affordable housing in the area.

I thought "Affordable Housing " to day didn't mean you can afford to buy it, every house sold is affordable to someone, but they were houses to rent or part buy in conjunction with housing associations.

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3 hours ago, Naughty Cal said:

What you probably have not seen are the S106 contriubutions that that have had to make to the local authority for the provision of affordable housing in the area.

It’s more complicated in this case I think. The land was gifted to our parish council from Bassetlaw with the condition that part of it must be sold for housing. The housing must fit in with the “Parish Plan”, which allowed up to 32 new dwellings including affordable. The developer involved knew this from the start but still presented totally unsuitable plans. I suppose there’s more money to be made in building and selling expensive properties than budget.

Incidentally, the remaining canalside pasture land has been left to the community to do with, within reason, what we like. A meeting was arranged in the local to throw a few ideas around but only me and my better half turned up! 

You’d think people who have lived for years overlooking the land would have an interest in it’s future but sadly not. Of course the same people are now moaning about things that are happening.. 

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