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4 hours ago, anchored said:
Why don't crt just raise fees for cc's, and (just to keep the canals moving) offer a discount for any cc's who travel? Like, if we do +50 miles get a gold star for bona fide journeys?
Why don't crt just raise fees for all
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18 minutes ago, IanD said:
So the solution is to make the charge (e.g. £3/night) for every night including the first one. Then a boat without a home mooring would pay £3*365=£1100 per year, at the same time they pay their (similar) CART license fee. Still *much* cheaper than a typical home mooring...
...but wouldn't many marina dwellers just leave and moor on the towpath where it's cheaper? Might make it difficult to find a mooring in popular places.
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5 hours ago, IanD said:
...and would in reality make negligible difference -- unless the government decided to remove (for example) £10M from the grant because CART were no longer appealing to millions of non-boaters, in which case removing them would have a huge negative effect on the canals... 😞
I never claimed it would save £millions but it would prevent a few stoppages. Why would the government remove £10m from the grant? Therese Coffey said CRT's role is to maintain the waterways - never mentioned non essentials.
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4 minutes ago, Bristolfashion said:
Yes, this sort of thing is often used to beat an organisation around the head with - but what are they and, equally importantly, are they of any financial significance?
Junior fishing courses on EA waters, two tone van livery, lock poetry, sponsored Facebook adverts ........(add your own here) and I promised not to mention blue signs again so I won't.
.... all would fix a paddle or two and prevent a stoppage.
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6 minutes ago, matty40s said:
Stoke Bruerne flight was closed Jan-mid March for gates, cill protectors and other works. The missing lower gate paddle at lock 18 which has not been there for 18 months wasnt re-instated while this was going on.
We had similar experience up here. Repairs at Figure of Three cost around £3.5m. A colleague, who was one of the first to go through after it reopened told me they hadn't fixed the hydraulic valve on the offside gate which had been broken for years. When I asked the Regional Director why, he told me it had been fixed but obviously broke again (instantly???). Lightweights!!
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5 minutes ago, matty40s said:
Must be quite a bit of water about....
To be fair to C&RT, and naturally I always am, there was over 2m of fresh recorded at Aldwark Bridge last week. Flooding up to the top step in the pic is considered trivial by us tough Yorkshire types. 😅
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6 minutes ago, Momac said:
Maybe there should be an online system for boaters to alert C&RT to maintenence that is required. Clearly C&RT can't be expected to inspect and test every lock and every element of its infrastructure in detail.
Lock 8 was supposedly worked on in the winter program but clearly bodged!
How hard is it to fix a paddle before the other one breaks and causes a stoppage? "Wait until it breaks completely" policy is a disgrace. And don't blame lack of money it's same cost and cheaper than a sponsored Facebook advert
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Rochdale & HNC both currently closed again and it's only April 15
"Please be advised navigation remains closed at Lock 28 West on the Diggle Flight on the Huddersfield Narrow Canal due to broken paddles"."We continue to experience significant water management problems at lock 8 on the Rochdale Canal. Leakage through the lock gates is creating ongoing local difficulties in navigation,"
What happened to Winter Maintenance?
When will the C&RT apologists realise Parrry & Co are a waste of space?
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With a permanent mooring you would get a license and state your Home Mooring
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2 hours ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:
The nearby Keadby bridge over the Trent and on the same line as the Vazon bridge would be another example. A combined rail and road bridge that used to lift to allow tall ships along the Trent, but is now fixed.
Maybe they should fix the Vazon Bridge and have a sliding canal 😆
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Reported on NBW
NBTA said "CRT’s licence surcharge came into effect on 1st April the assciations tells. Unchallenged, the policy will allow CRT to raise licence fees on itinerant boaters in order to price them off the water. "
If C&RT raised all licenses to the level of the surcharge would that price everyone off the water or would the NBTA be happy to be paying same as Home Moorers?
IMO it would be a good idea for C&RT - extra money and less admin headache.
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4 hours ago, MtB said:
And there will STILL be people on here moaning it's all Richard Parry's fault.
I live 1400ft above sea level so be nice and I'll let you moor to our front garden.
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1 hour ago, MtB said:
The forest of "blue signs" have been a bit of an own goal in this respect. Its certainly a subject used again and again to support the assertion that money is being wasted that should have been spent on maintaining the navigation, and the blue signs are half the reason for poor state of the system.
So let's do a 'fag packet' calculation... I reckon they have put up an average of about 20 blue signs per mile over the whole system. All 2000 miles of it. Now lets imagine each of these signs cost, say, £300.
2,000 x 20 x £300 = £12m.
Hardly even a dent in the funding shortfall of £400m a year, is it?
Fix a few paddles on the Rochdale & Huddersfield though.
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Just now, Paul C said:
Would a smaller network automatically be a worse network? Maybe its due a "right-sizing" (playing Devil's Advocate).
Not if they closed the BCN, Grand Union, Coventry and Oxford canals and put the money into keeping the Yorkshire waterways open. (playing another Devil's Advocate). 😜
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10 hours ago, magpie patrick said:
The big battle is to stop canals closing - that might mean doubling the licence fee if no other funds can be found. The nitpicking troupe have not yet come up with a workable answer to this one. All they can bleat is "mismanagement" without explaining how better management would produce the millions needed.
Yes that may happen and the danger is the extra would probably just get spent on more & more non-essentials. At least it would be a better option than this surcharge idea which is going to be an administrative headache.
It wouldn't, but it would fix a few paddles. Many stoppages are caused by minor issues. Letting the ground staff fix a few instead of bringing in contractors might get canals open a lot faster and save a few bob for the bigger jobs.
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6 hours ago, MtB said:
Let me get this straight. You think CRT should:
1) Spend more on maintaining the canal system in a navigable condition
2) Charge boaters less
Do I have that about right?
No
I think CRT should increase license fees equally, I think Parry should stop making promises he can't keep, I think the money he has could be better managed. I think the small amount of money that could be redirected from non essentials would fix a few paddles and make life a little bit better on the water.
As @Alan de Enfield said "One can disagree with C&RTs management practices but agree they need more income."
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10 hours ago, magpie patrick said:
Yes I read it - non-story the Daily Mail of the canal world.
I'm also fed up with the CRT baiters in this forum. We're soon going to have a fight for the survival of the canal system and all some people want to do is pick holes whilst the whole edifice (the canals,not those running them) collapses.
There you go, battle line drawn.
I'm also fed up with the CRT apologists. There you go, ......
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On 12/03/2024 at 08:31, Athy said:
I've never been to the Pocklin gton Canal. Is it abandoned or under restoration?
The Pocklington canal is undergoing restoration. It's a beautiful rural location but access to it isn't straightforward. Easiest route is from Selby on an ebb tide then through Barmby barrage onto the Yorkshire Derwent (EA visitor license required from the lock keeper). There's very few moorings on the river and stretch between the river and canal is challenging. Very shallow with an awkward bend. The first mile of the canal is slow going, shallow and weedy. It's navigable to Bielby now but best moorings and decent pub are at Melbourne. Absolutely worth a visit.
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11 hours ago, beerbeerbeerbeerbeer said:
here’s me thinking global warming meant hotter weather,
I should be selling umbrellas and wellies not ice cream
Yes that's the problem. 25 years ago they said "global warming" and we all.thought deckchairs and pina colada. If they had said "global p!ssing down" we would all be steering electric boats.
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11 hours ago, Arthur Marshall said:
I think you have found the solution.
I think your idea of probably forgetting to tell them will be the standard. 😆
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6 minutes ago, beerbeerbeerbeerbeer said:
I don’t know, all this thinking and over thinking makes me head hurt,
I’m kinda glad I’m able to move about and not care,
Nothing makes sense
There's very little CRT does that makes sense. Just drink beer and chill 😎
If I see you in summer, we'll drink some more.
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1 hour ago, beerbeerbeerbeerbeer said:
I’m not sure where you’re coming from with this,
but with myself, if I have bought a year license no home mooring, and then took on a mooring for the winter, say less than 6 month, whether it be end of garden or marina I’d just have to suck it up and pay, wouldn’t I?
I think CRT will expect you to pay. In a marina the EoG would be included in most cases, but in a farmer's field, on a 5 month, stopover, you may be liable to pay the EoG to directly to CRT. Having paid 12 months CCer surcharge you may (or may not) feel you are paying twice for the same thing. Afterall the surcharge is supposedly to cover extended use of the 'facilities' which include mooring. In a debt recovery action you may have a good argument.
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1 hour ago, David Mack said:
Indeed. But some seem to be suggesting that being licenced as a CCer exempts the boater from paying the EoG fee to CRT if they do take a mooring (and don't/can't) change their licence status.
I wasnt suggesting anything. Perhaps my question wasn't clear. What would be the position if having paid the CCer surcharge the boater refused to pay the EoG charge for a mooring less than 6 months on the grounds that he/she had already been charged for 12 months usage. If usage includes additional mooring would CRT be charging twice for the same thing?
More C&RT Dishonesty?
in General Boating
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"So the solution is to make the charge (e.g. £3/night) for every night including the first one. Then a boat without a home mooring would pay £3*365=£1100 per year, at the same time they pay their (similar) CART license fee. Still *much* cheaper than a typical home mooring"
??? 'cos it would be a lot cheaper.