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Albion last won the day on August 15 2017

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  1. Brexit 2017

    While there must naturally be some uncertainty about what the future could/will hold (let's face it no-one can absolutely predict the future unless you have a crystal ball) we do know what the future within the EU would hold. That is being dragged into further integration until a complete United States of Europe is created etc whatever the will of the people of Europe. https://www.ft.com/content/f1d5ec78-9851-11e7-a652-cde3f882dd7b You may not believe it but there are many Europeans that also don't want this further shift but, as Macron admitted when talking to Marr on TV about the French people, they aren't going to be given a say in the matter. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/21/emmanuel-macron-uk-yes-no-brexit-vote-mistake https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/907719/Macron-France-vote-to-LEAVE-EU-referendum-Brexit-Brussels-Marr This indicates that the EU bureaucracy and leaders acknowledge that the best way to prevent further splits, having seen what the UK did, is to deny the European voters any say in the matter. We have already seen past 'go back and vote until we get the results we want' manipulation so preventing further issues by denying any chance of a vote seems to be the preferred option. And that's democracy in action? If the EU was really worried about the loss of the second largest net contributor to EU funds you would have thought that they would have offered Cameron a better deal that the few time-limited crumbs that they gave him and that he tried to sell us in the referendum pamphlet. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf However, their arrogance about the issue was, sadly for them, undone when they got the shock result that they had never in their wildest dreams anticipated. So, we knew what the future held by voting remain and decided that the other option was preferable despite the lack of a crystal ball. Roger
  2. Brexit 2017

    Not correct for the EU Referendum voting areas according to this source linked below. Of the 382 areas, 263 voted by majority to leave and 119 voted to remain. The area boundaries were apparently the same as those used for EU Parliamentary Elections so there can be no real objection to that system by those in favour of the EU surely? See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum,_2016 Roger
  3. Brexit 2017

    It's what you think you're hearing when you read an opposing argument comment that is being affected by your jaundiced ear. It is impossible to have an aural conversation on a written forum like this. Roger
  4. Brexit 2017

    That's your problem. That infection is altering the message from what you actually read to what you think you have read when it arrives in your brain. You can get ointment for it though. Roger
  5. Brexit 2017

    No, I haven't seen him on QT for a while now. The last occasion that I can remember was probably back around when he stood down as leader or perhaps shortly after that. Roger Edited to add that it looks like he has been invited to appear again soon.
  6. Brexit 2017

    Umm, yes, where did I suggest that Australian and New Zealanders were EU citizens? For further clarity, when citizen boaters of those countries, that I have spoken to, have been caught leaving France after overstaying their 3 month visa they did not get banned for 5 years as was stated in the post to which I was replying. Roger
  7. Brexit 2017

    Not according to those Antipodean boaters that I have spoken to who have actually been spotted as they leave France. Other than a bit of a disapproving telling off as they leave they have never been banned from the country. Unless you're implying that France is one of the 'less regulated countries'? Also, for visitors to other countries that don't have reciprocal rights for health treatment why shouldn't you be expected to have your own health insurance? I see no reason why you shouldn't. Roger
  8. Brexit 2017

    But some of the Australians and New Zealanders who boat in Europe have been getting round that rule for many years. I have asked them how they did it and they admitted to either ignoring the rule or getting some sort of extended visa (I don't know the finer details) so why do you think that Brits won't be able to do the same? Roger
  9. Brexit 2017

    No, they won't be. Macron admitted that if French voters had been given the chance then they would have probably voted to leave also. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/22/france-would-have-voted-to-leave-eu-too-if-in-uk-situation-french-leader-macron-says.html We met a couple of French and Dutch boaters while boating in France during 2016 and both said that their countrymen would probabaly vote to leave the EU if they could, but then added that 'We will never be given the chance'. Roger
  10. Brexit 2017

    If anyone has lived in another country for more than 15 years then they were ineligible to vote according to the rules of the referendum, and quite rightly so as they HAVE voted with their feet IMO and shouldn't have the same right to affect the future of the UK as those citizens who are still living here permanently (and have done so during the 15 year absence of the other person) and will have to enjoy/suffer the consequences of the vote that they have made as permanent residents. If that person has not lived abroad for more than 15 years then, according to the rules, they have a right to affect the future of the UK by voting so what's the problem? In my opinion 15 years living abroad before you are disqualified is fairly generous and as a rule laid down by the government it cannot take into account anyone that has lived abroad for more than 15 years and says that they 'intend to return' in 16 years, 20 years, 50 years, never or whatever. Roger
  11. Brexit 2017

    The nearest to a promise that it might be a binding vote or not was this statement copied from the referendum leaflet: This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide. Roger
  12. Brexit 2017

    Why do you persist in saying that a further referendum would be the 4th when you have been corrected on this issue before? Heath took us into the Common Market in 1973 without a referendum. Wilson gave us a referendum to allow us to choose continued membership in June 1975. Then the referendum to leave was held in 2016. That only makes two referenda that have been held so far so any further one would be the 3rd, not the 4th. If you can't get this simple fact right then it makes one wonder. Roger
  13. Brexit 2017

    Just rewording my post. Roger
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  15. Brexit 2017

    Your skill at avoiding answering the nub of any questions is matched only by politicians. Roger