12 hours ago, Richard said:

I've tested it to give an answer - the posts are not renumbered when a post is hidden. Technically the post still exist, just hidden from view in that scenario.

Post numbers appear not to be unique, post numbers in every thread all starting with 1.

I don't see this as a problem, just that we need to be aware of this when using a post number to refer back to an old post.

18 hours ago, Ex Brummie said:

Apart from a basic combustion analyser at £200

Wow, so cheap!!

Where from, please?

1 hour ago, haggis said:

I don't know why the height below the counter is 80 cm and that had been the sticking point every time I have looked for a new fridge.

So you HAVE measured it after all then?

Or did you miss my point that worktops that low are very rare so yours is probably 85cm or so, unless you have actually measured it?

29 minutes ago, Richard said:

I've found a way to provide this functionality through a third-party plugin. As with any third party developed add-on, future maintenance/compatibility isn't guaranteed, but for the time being it's working well, so enjoy it while it's available.

I've also asked the Invision devs to make it a default feature in the code to negate the use of third-party plugins, but there's no guarantee they will.

Awesome, thank you SO MUCH!!!!

What a brilliant techy you are.

User feedback surely demands post Numbers rather than this "Achievement" nonsense.

May we have Post Numbers back please?

4 hours ago, haggis said:

I know, I should have brought the exact measurements home but I have done a lot of Googling with the information I have and it is a bewildering world out there :-)

Well this IS the first step and there is no point in even looking at fridges until you know the maximum dimensions that will fit for certain.

One thing though, 80cm height for a fridge is unusually low. Most worktops are 90cm high so 85cm usually fits under them just fine. Looking at the AO site, most of them are 82cm high so I'd be surprised if conversion firms like Shoreline and Inlander don't use these standard height fridges as donors to convert to 12Vdc.

Finally, are you wanting a mechanical thermostat or a digital controller which defaults to 4c? ;)

9 hours ago, the grinch said:

I no longer recommend anyone as it always comes back to bite be it this year, next year or sometime in the future!

^^^ This ^^^

Same here. You can never tell how well someone you know to be good will get on with the person you recommend them to. And if they don't get on, they'll both blame you!

DAMHIK.

31 minutes ago, stagedamager said:

Nothing ever changes does it?

Five people standing there watching one bloke do all the work!

:D

10 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

A couple of examples ....................

1)

.......standardising environmental

regulations for vessels operating

domestically within the UK, including

inland waterways.

Ah so it is nothing to do with improving safety, and all to do with "standardising" regulations.

That's helpful, thanks.

There has been a steady flow of deaths and serious injuries caused by domestic cookers being installed on canal boats, as any fool will know.

Now the regs have been changed all this should stop, thank God!

Erm....

1 hour ago, Ronaldo47 said:

I would think the issue is, whether or not an inland waterway, especially one not using sea water, is a "Marine Environment".

I suppose it might be possible that

there is provision in some legislation that defines "marine" to encompass the UK's inland artificial waterways that are not navigable by shipping, but if such legislation exists, I would have thought that someone on this forum would have drawn attention to it. Surely the normal meaning of "marine" is something relating to the sea?

I agree, and a point I made quite some way upthread.

"Marine" cookers need gimbals and many other design features to cope with the marine environment including storms and heavy seas. Features self-evidently not needed on the inland waterways where the waves rarely exceed about an inch.

1 hour ago, jonathanA said:

And also can @MarineHeatingSolutions or @IanD Or indeed anyone point me to the legal requirement to adhere to BS/ISO whatever it was. It may be a recommendation, guidance, good practice whatever but if, as I fully intend to, I ignore it so what ?

As I explained upthread, there is no direct legal requirement.

There are legal requirements e.g. the GSIUR but these tend to be couched in vague and broad terms e.g. no person shall install a gas appliance so as to present a risk to the user, so proving one complied with the detail of a relevant BS/ISO is, AIUI, is considered a 'statutory defence', basically meaning your prosecution will fail as the court will accept compliance with the relevant ISO as proof that you met in detail, the broadly defined requirement in the law. How else could you comply if not by meeting the relevant BS/ISOs? If meeting the BS/ISOs did not protect you then the law would be demonstrably that apocryphal ass.

All wonderfully convoluted and typical of the way we like to over-complicate stuff here in the UK.

16 minutes ago, IanD said:

Which was also a question I asked earlier, whether the rules apply to private/non-commercial boats...

Well all 'standards' are optional. Only the law is mandatory. The standards are useful as complying with them is one way of guaranteeing one is also complying with the law but there may be other ways to comply with the law too.

GSIUR Section 2 (5) says:

Nothing in these Regulations shall apply in relation to the supply of gas to, or anything done in respect of a gas fitting on—

(c) a vessel not requiring a national or international load line certificate except when such vessel is—

(iii)used primarily for domestic or residential purposes

Generally within the industry it is considered that "used primarily for domestic or residential purposes" means living aboard but not leisure or hobby use. There is an argument not widely accepted that "domestic" brings hobby boats into the scope.

All of this assumes the GSIUR applies to leisure boats, and a substantial body of opinion (including BSS Office) is that they don't.

Interstingly, and referring back to MarineHeatingSolutions link to his website where he recommends the Thetford "Triplex" cooker as being specifically suitable for "marine use", I thought I'd download and read the MI for this cooker and just see what exactly it says.

The MI are here:

https://www.thetford.com/app/uploads/2025/06/IM_Triplex-SOH70_EN_SINS2326-0125-V02.pdf

And here is the page where Mr MHS specifically recommends this cooker for boat installation:

https://marineheating.co.uk/lpg-gas-cooker-marine-safety-guide/

Scroll down about 2/3 of the page to find Mr MHS explaining at length how this cooker is specifically designed for marine use.

Now have a look at the MI link for this cooker. The document is silent on the issue as far as I can see. Nowhere does it appear to assert compliance for marine use. So by his own argument, all the Thetford Triplex cookers Mr MarineHeatingSolutions has installed on boats must be illegal.

24 minutes ago, cheesegas said:

I think the threat of being replaced by an electronic thermostat has made the mechanical one behave. I'll be sure to place the new one on top of the fridge in its box, ready for when the old one misbehaves...and to continue providing that threat.

Actually yes, this is another well-known effect.

I have two debit card terminals. When one plays up and I get the back-up terminal out, the original one usually starts working again. This happens so often its quite spooky.

21 minutes ago, cheesegas said:

Followup - it just started working again properly at random, naturally as soon as I placed the order for the new electronic thermostat. No changes what's in the freezer compartment or ambient temperature. Similar amount of food in the fridge.

Erm.... one of my personal maxims is "Things that start working by themselves, stop working by themselves."

Cheerful ray of optimism today, aren't I?!

:D

12 hours ago, IanD said:

But is it "marine certified"? 😉

Only "marine certified" if MarineHeatingSolutions says it is.

Hope that clears things up.

6 hours ago, laughterlady said:

Whos a person that is a general all round good egg?

I'd nominate mrsmelly.

And of course IanD. Some of his longer posts are utterly HILARIOUS!

Ok most of them.

And of course, @starcoaster. Who gave up posting here 10 or 15 years ago due to the misogyny.

Yes very good!!

In a similar vein I'll submit these two for assessment:

Nigel Farage:

And...

Bart Simpson:

2 hours ago, blackrose said:

If the cooker comes with replacement LPG jets then I'd say it's safe to assume it can be changed to LPG.

And I'd say no it isn't "safe" to assume anything. The bloke in the chandlery might have found an old set of LPG jets for another cooker and attached them, and told you it will be fine.

As I said earlier, you rule out all assumption-making by reading the data plate on the appliance. One of the fields it MUST contain tells you which gases you may use it with. No assuming necessary.

Checking the family of gases the appliance is suitable for and they match the gas supply is the first step when installing any gas appliance. If the data plate is missing then the appliance must not be fitted or used. Period.

Canal boats however, are not a "marine" installation, I'd suggest.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marine

So BS EN ISO 10239:2025 is probablyy not relevant.

Hull looks fine to me!!

P.S. I like the recessed anode, amidships.

3 hours ago, smiler said:

Being a lifelong fan of the Jaaag, I'm disappointed to have to say this one is absolutely fugly. Just my opinion, of course.

Have you seen one in real life?

Nor have I...

1 hour ago, PuckFutin said:

Vent everything, Hydrogen Sulphide will kill you, and of course hydrogen gas itself goes boom easily.

And like the horseflies that inject anaesthetic before they feast on you, hydrogen sulphide disconnects your sense of smell first.

Or so I understand.