Derek R.
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Does this help?
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19 hours ago, Machpoint005 said:
I presume there's another bridge somewhere close by, but as for the towrope, the crew could simply walk across the lock gates with it?
No, the bridge carries the main road, and the basins (both sides) prevent continuous towage. Nor does the 'horse/pedestrian' bridge have a facility for continuous towage.
But as Pluto says, pulling or poling a boat out of a lock will give sufficient momentum for a line to be passed either up onto the bridge or tow path to attach to horse or tractor.
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7 hours ago, BEngo said:
If you can find it, Amway Metal Cleaner is excellent stuff for taking off really heavy tarnish. Water based paste, apply it, wait, wash off. Rub if you are in a hurry. I think the active ingredient is oxalic acid. It gets brass clean, not shiny. You need to follow it with a polish, and the most important factor- Elbow Grease.
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That is also good stuff, much like Shiny Sinks. I did the Amway thing decades ago.
6 hours ago, Mike Tee said:whatever product is your choice, use it with '0000' wire wool, fetches the tarnish off and doesn't scratch - great for cleaning the fire glass too.
I use stainless pot scrubbers on our fire glass dry. Works well. When cold, a little white vinegar helps break the carbon down. Not to be used when hot!
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Until I found Solvol Autosol (paste) I used to use Duraglit to polish alloy on the bikes (going back a bit). Peek is good.
Brasso is messy, and will 'settle' needing a few nuts in the tin and a lot of shaking. Don't use too big a nuts though, as the tin is thin and may puncture if shaken vigorously. There are liquids available, Shiny Sinks is one and Bar Keeps Friend, the latter also comes in powder form. Both can be used on wet brass, needs rinsing off. (Washes off hands easy too). Both contain oxalic acid which eats away the crud without eating your hands. And both will wash out of rags easily. Even so, I have always found Brasso and Duraglit to give the best finish. Bar Keeps Friend in powder form doesn't leave such a shine, but good for getting the worst of tarnish off.
ETA: 'Tug' Wilson down at Cassio used to swear by brick dust and lemon juice. A bit coarse is that.
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'Weldall'. Some of these self descriptive company names are a fascination in themselves. I remember a drill bit manufacturer choosing the name 'Ardazrocs'. There must be lots of others.
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Got it in one!
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It's 1886, it's on a river. Someone's going to know.
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On 29/04/2023 at 07:13, davidwheeler said:
On reflection, it seems I have misjudged the interest in this subject so I will stop here. No harm done, I hope.
David, if your "misjudgement" of interest has been gauged by the piece of iconic nonsense that passes for a 'post count' in the lower left corner of your (or anyone elses icon), then IGNORE IT. The majority of people who comment here see no relevance to it and would wish it removed completely. (There's a whole thread on that.)
Moderators/webmaster please NOTE!
Your posts have been entertaining and interesting. If you have the will, please continue.
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"The weight's too high".
I look at the cross channel ferries and cruise ships of today, and that thought is predominant.
'No harm done' - None whatsoever. Not a fan of 'lumpy' water, though it has always held a fascination, but even less so tidal rivers - they give me the shivers! Especially the Trent. It's been an instructive and interesting recounting. Thank you.
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That'll swim like a fish - and get near the bank!
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No complaints from me David.
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Great stuff David. The Exeter is a canal few will visit from the main system, and a largely forgotten canal, though not unknown as it is one of the oldest.
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It almost certainly would David.
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An adventure indeed! And many thanks for sharing David. There cannot be many who were boating for 'pleasure' in the early sixties able to recall such details. I have met one or two folk who would have bought SOMERSET at the drop of a hat. How we learn from experience!
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There are no such things as boats which are 'bargains' to be snatched up (unless you build your own canoe!)
All boats are White Elephants. Look in any marina up and down the country, or along the offside moorings and you will see herds of them.
If you let your head rule your heart - you will never own a boat. They are things that make a hole in the water, into which you will pour all your money, your family and friends money and possibly the banks money, and the hole will remain the same size regardless. But keep looking, build the dream, and maybe one day your heart will defy your head. Good luck. Boat ownership is a way of life. It will change what life you have into something else completely, leaving no room for whatever went before.
If you have been there and done it before - then genuinely I say: Good luck. We lived afloat for 12yrs, later and for a further 13yrs, owned a great boat (not a live-aboard). But we could not afford the commitment such as it was at the time, and with the resources we had at that time. Heartbreaking times.
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Soho Foundry Tavern. And from the front door, you would be facing the porticoed entrance to Soho Foundry (as was).
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Yes, and doesn't the ground come up at you faster than ever before when you trip up . . .
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The Castrol racing oil was Castrol R. A few spoonfuls in the tank was guaranteed to give off that oh so sweet aroma.
Gunk from a hot engine was most distictive, always takes me back to being 19 again. New mown grass always takes me back to playing fields, and creosote - old Mr Rumbles garden fence and the model houses in his back garden which could be seen through empty knot holes in the fence. Coal smoke and steam oil - I'm standing beside a locomotive near the end of King's Cross station platform, feeling the radiating heat as the driver awaits the whistle.
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Nope.
A Model Bakery was established in 1926 in Widegate Street, just off Bishopsgate, but that's nowhere near an adjacent waterway.
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Thanks Mike (Pluto). That clears that up! Some sort of covering on the boiler, and most definitely a water sight gauge.
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5 hours ago, Goliath said:
If the chimney belongs to the crane we’d see half the boiler too? For the chimney sits centre top.
In all the other examples of such steam cranes in that set of images, the chimney is shown dead centre of the boiler. So it would appear that the chimney is sat dead center of the near cylindrical 'building' as it appears to be. The catch is, the exposure of the boiler would be much the same as the chimney - dark. But it isn't. It's quite light, and the shadow of the circular chimney clearly makes it round, so too does the shadow of the circular 'building', and it looks to be farther away.
I'm not completely conviced my estimation is correct, nor am I convinced the 'lighter' boiler with chimney central is correct.
We need the stationary engine move out of the way to be able to tell for sure.
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Indeed, though a tad more complicated, and represented by the term Nominal Horse Power (NHP). The same delineation was used with self propelled traction engines.
From 'A Century of Traction Engines' by W. J. Hughes, member of the Newcomen Society; of the Road Locomotive Society, and of the National Traction Engine Club;
"The term nominal horse power (n.h.p.) is really a hang over from early days, probably deriving from the 'horse power' machines or horse works devised to use horses for driving threshing machines and other barn machinery. One type of horse works was a kind of treadmill, where one, two, or three horses side by side, walked on inclined endless belts which moved beneath them, the power thus generated being taken off through a shaft, gearing and universal joints. Another kind was a sort of windlass, the horses being harnessed to the arms, and walking around in a circle. This type was in use until the 1890's or later: a 'one-horse' machine was awarded a silver medal at the 'Royal' at Carlisle as late as 1880.
Thus the manufacturer of a 4 h.p. portable engine would intend to purvey to non-technically minded farmers that his engine developed the same power as a 'horse-power' in which four horses were used. In actual practice, the term was quite wrongly used, one nominal horse power being deemed to be equal to '10 circular inches of piston area'. To work out what this meant, or what was supposed to mean, take the square of the cylinder bore and divide by ten to obtain the n.h.p. Example: a cylinder of 9-inch bore: 9 x 9 = 81 : 8 n.h.p. engine! Or cylinder of 6¼-inch bore: 6¼ x 6¼ = 40 nearly : 4 n.h.p. "
None of this took into consideration boiler pressure or even stroke, but gave a rough and ready measurement.
My youngest daughter applying one actual horse power (George) at Blists Hill.
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As I see it, the stationary engine has a tarp over it with the last part of a word showing which could be '. . . . . WORT*Ltd'. [CLAYTON & SHUTTLEWORTH?]
Lying along the top of the boiler would be the chimney in a horizontal position, showing as a long horizontal ridge, covered by the tarp.
The smaller wheels will be at the front of the engine - the smokebox end. And water level gauge would be at the firebox end where the driving controls would be.
What might appear to be 'windows' of the distant structure, may well be hooks on the cross piece of the drawbar, to which chains would be attached connecting to a harness and collar (as in horse).
The chimney with rain cap belongs to the crane just beyond the stationary engine, which can be seen as a bulk beyond the front wheels of the stationary engine, the jib also. Nothing to do with the distant structure.
I don't know what the building is in the distance, but it does resemble a windmill without sails. The shadow suggests it is circular, and appears to be made of stone.
No idea as to where it may be, other than some broad waterway under construction.
Bet that kettle would be a three gallon at least.
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7 hours ago, Goliath said:
What’s that structure in the background, behind the engine?
Is it a water tower?
Hard to tell, but it looks like someone’s climbing up side of it on ladder.
Is it a clue to where it is?
It could be a windmill without sails. It appears to be circular with a tapering rise to it.
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Laurence Hogg Boatmans Cabin Drawings
in History & Heritage
Posted · Edited by Derek R.
ACC, GUCCC, Royalty, Wood or steel, precise measurements will be determined by the carpenter on the job. It's not like someone is going to cut his timber off site, then expect everything to fit when they get to the hull and cabin, chances are it won't. As it stands, that diagram gives sufficient layout of all the relevant items for anyone with the woodworking skills to reproduce in any full size cabin. I doubt any cabin furniture was built to exactly the same dimensions. You cut the wood to fit the space. If I can reproduce a four foot long back cabin of a butty out of raw materials just on the knowledge of having lived in one, what need is there of detailed plans?
As I said on posting said plan - "Does this help?" I did not suggest 'These are the dimensions you need to build by'. If anyone can come up with something better - please feel free.
ETA: A grey interior. Bet that would have gone down well . . .