Phoenix_V

unfortunately not as the courses cover a load of other things that i will never be doing which is a bit like the regulation that stipulates only a gas safe registered person can unscrew a test nipple or the one that says installation of gas and more must be done to British Standards but to read the British Standard you have to pay hundreds of pounds as they are no longer available in libraries or the one to say i cannot fit a window in my own house without the council inspecting it (for a fee) I could go on...............................

https://www.theguardian.com/money/gallery/2026/apr/10/canalside-homes-for-sale-in-england-and-scotland-in-pictures here are a couple from the article there are more

sounds like https://www.sleeman-hawken.com/

computer say no syndrome Feeling particularly bitter about this as apparently I am not able to commission fire extinguishers in our club as i do not have the right piece of paper despite the process being as far as I can tell 1 weigh them 2 check for dents 3 check pressure gauge with magnet, modern life in Uk all over

Or simply decide to stop using it for domestic purposes before the test .....maybe changing mind and reverting to domestic shortly after (or maybe not who knows). I think someone suggested something similar earlier.

I access a lot of newspapers and magazines online through my local library account.

yes but i would have the benefits of lifepo4 without the expense of a major craft conversion survey But thinking on from this is installing a couple of sockets that I can use to connect a "portable" lifepo4 battery and B to B charger to the boats 12 v system and inverter an MCC where does this nonsense end

Presumably if this all comes to pass I could carry one of these "portable" power stations would not come under rcd (or BSS) as not fixed to boat what could possibly go wrong. I could sell my lifepo4 to a motor caravaner to get back some of my outlay since they dont seem to have the same issues. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/197921274205?_skw=power+station+3000w&itmmeta=01KN9QEEM08NN8JF009RPT5A7F&hash=item2e1506f95d%3Ag%3AFNcAAeSw1hxpMMkz&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA8GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBxSX3SpbO9Y5HJ1t3OGkLC%2FO5BYb8o8%2FzUKcPSujw%2FTqq2Fx1Q0cNf4heZOO%2B0E6vp4f7YZuW6tjvx%2Fe7orlLEIVnKaF2ulcQZrm2U3GPGta6eecMNY37x4bCPOybDOJ70aLpu4fhGwNm9%2BJSMLQYFUvNv6DS8NQHdSq%2F6DoP9FaGVZyATxjzqYaS8My%2FaQ1ocP3racLiaGHtLZqUo7cxyji78uvjWG7qHtXrRZ4U6ws5KVsXbR6SwMLbPKtC66ulNknkGhr1Jl5kTnyaFVaRkw4IeyGEZstGfUvVBVUyVeQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR5zqubeqZw&var=497172656134

L'heritage is a very nice boat but may be a little small for your needs. This is on the Duck may be easier than buying in UK if you intend the boat to stay https://barges.apolloduck.fr/boat/piper-55-db-for-sale/823447 Boats brought over from the UK staying more than 18 months will need to pay vat at the current rate in the country of entry there is no 0% rate anywhere in the EU. I f you dont want to sail a yacht transporter will take her, not all have big enough trailers but I think CPL would have you can crane in at Dunkirk, Nieuwpoort or Diksmuide. The boat must be ssr registered (if you are a UK resident if you are not going to be living in the UK then locally registered) and have relevant safety equipment depending on local regs also an ATIS enabled VHF. You will need and icc and vhf operators certificate from your country of residence and the radio itself a licence from the country of registration. Do join the DBA maybe also the Cruising Association and the French ANPEI Let us know how you get on

I don't think you understand how this process works... 😉 Maybe not but i can see the end result, if it walks like duck quacks like a duck etc The issue is not trade bodies/BSS/profit but the nature of standards bodies like ISO, where standards like these are drafted by technical experts with the primary aim of making things safe and reliable and protecting people -- they have to take into account that the requirements need to be reasonable/achievable, but I'm afraid that sometimes their view is that making this happen in reality (and affordable, and without unintended consequences) is really SEP (Somebody Else's Problem) not theirs... 😞 And the people that profit from this are hardly going to restrain them Though on the other side some of the input also comes from companies who will be faced with the sometimes unenviable task of making them work in real life, who do push back where standards are likely to make things too expensive/difficult -- I've been involved in defining IEEE standards in the past exactly for this reason, and you sometimes just want to bang people's heads together... 😉 Once such standards have been set, organizations like BSS and insurers have little choice other than to follow them, because otherwise they have to justify *why* they didn't follow them, and might be exposed to liability if they didn't and things go wrong. The real problem here is that lithium/LFP batteries are a new technology, and people have been doing pretty much what they want to as far as installations are concerned on the assumption that they're pretty safe, and it's now turning out that this assumption is wrong -- unextinguishable fires for "lithium-ion" batteries (e.g. e-scooters), and gas venting/fire/explosions for (much safer but can still bite back if abused) LFP batteries (e.g. ABC dayboat). The real problem is that small canal boats home-built or by cottage industry are treated the same as mass produced products some of those involved appear to be more interested in covering their backs than real risk assessment balancing real level of risk against cost The standards bodies and insurers (and now BSS) have woken up to this, but are struggling to catch up with reality, hence all the uncertainty about standards and installation requirements -- and failing to distinguish between the different chemistries is a real problem, because the quick and easy "one-size-fits-all" approach means the tough fire protection requirements for "lithium-ion" installation (e.g. vented steel battery box with 15min protection against a battery fire) may also end up applied to LFP where they are not needed, and this is a particular problem for inland waterways boats... 😞 indeed thanks for all you are doing but are you representing us the consumers going to be listened to People are going to make money from this and are having an input into the process what should be a BSS matter has been turned into a major craft conversion which someone takes £4-5000 a pop for doing those people should have nothing to do with the process

Isnt the real problem that trade bodies are heavily over represented on these bodies and on the principle that turkeys dont vote for christmas are hardly likely to object to anything that makes life difficult for consumers but will likely earn them more irrespective of the actual risks involved. Wheras consumers are under represented.

Join the Cruising Association

which was enforced by random checks conducted by conservancy staff at no cost to the boater and the rules not changed every year to keep someone in a job

Heres one https://www.visuris.be/waterwegenvergunning to save you reading all through a 10m boat is 174 euros/year

I would be interested to learn if anyone can come up with a single country apart perhaps from scotland were the licence fee is similar or more than here most are far less.