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  1. 35 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:


    Tokyo, circa 1880


    Thank you - I'm not at all familiar with Japan and had no idea Tokyo had waterways like that. I'm aware there were a few canals elsewhere (ISTR Kyoto had one) 


    Now one from me - I have seen this but it isn't my picture, I've nabbed it from the web. 




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  2. 4 hours ago, davidwheeler said:



    1974. Tod's Boathouse and Julie Ann. A handsome wooden cruiser built in 1962. Tod's wharf full of good looking wooden boats with just a sprinkling of glass fibre ones, and one steel hull. The location among the finest anywhere. Well worth the second visit to the Brecon canal and now with a powered lift bridge. What more could one want, so go for this boat if you can.hire10.jpeg.ac571343c395bf28c67df7d6973f379e.jpeg

    And at £42. for the week plus 13 gallons of 2* petrol at £6.89p, pretty good value, don't you think?


     Mum and Dad hired from them also, 1965 and 66 - Easter in 1966 as I was due in July and mum didn't want a holiday with a one month old baby! You couldn't get past Talybont then. Dad also recalled that the cabin layouts were slightly different, with the fore cabin a foot longer and the cockpit correspondingly shorter on one of the boats. he asked Todd the reason, expecting some gem of wisdom based on experience of the earlier vessel, but apparently they just measured up incorrectly the second time!

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  3. 1 hour ago, Arthur Marshall said:

    Keep going, I'm enjoying this...

     Me too! It's good to see this


    We had Wirral Dawn and then Willow Mist (I think in that order) in 1972 and 1973 - I was 6 and 7, crew was Mum, Dad, Aunty Vera, @1st ade and me. 1972 we went from Haskayne to Rodley and Back in a fortnight, In 1973 we picked the boat up in Rodley (the previous hirers and wanted a one way) and went to Goole, Selby and Sowerby Bridge before returning over the Leeds and Liverpool. Dad's slide collection is currently being scanned so gradually pictures of these  trips will go online. 


    Prior to this we had gone with Tingay from the Ashby Canal (and previously from Atherstone, but I don't remember that) 

  4. When doing my grand cruise from Manchester to Bath on Lutine Bell I found the most agreeable section was the Southern Oxford canal between Banbury and Thrupp - so good I did it three times on a one way trip!* a lock every mile or so, pubs in each village....


    *actually I had to do this because of engine trouble, but if there was a bit of that grand voyage to be stuck on, it was that bit!

  5. 42 minutes ago, Stroudwater1 said:

    Yes much more chance of having adverts and monetising the video (which I see has already had 90k views) 

    Hence the clickbaity titles too. 


    Now I know they're droning on for profit I'm even less likely to watch them! 


    I suspect that's got an upper limit  - I follow a variety of vlogs, some of whom are living quite well off the proceeds - The Tim Traveller for example makes travel vlogs for a living, lives in Paris and, until recently self funded all his work* (i.e. paid for his own travel to make the vlogs) - his videos are typically 7-10 minutes long and give the number of followers it's clearly a winning formula. 


    *He's recently been paid by the Olso Tourist Board to make two videos, but before that his vlogs paid for his adventures and he has no other job

  6. On 04/02/2024 at 10:26, matty40s said:

    Finally rescued, quick polish and Jif inside and no problem.


    Apologies in advance to @matty40s if it's your video!  I'll probably watch this and the other video later, but its too long for coffee break 


    I've noticed a lot of these types of video are around the half hour mark, when ten minutes would probably get 95% of the message over and be much more watchable - is there a reason for this?

  7. 53 minutes ago, Pluto said:

    That is a little simplistic. With a single gate, when a boat hits, all its force is on the top frame of the gate, so acting on the wood's weakest direction. With mitre gates, the forces are split, with some being in the same direction as with a single gate, but a significant amount goes into the lock side. Forces on the sill act in a similar fashion, only they are also fixed to the stonework or concrete of the sill.


     Whilst this is undoubtedly true, and we are drifting slightly from strapping to general abuse of gates, I do not know of an instance of single leaf gates "blowing" when hit, whereas I can think of several where this has happened with mitre gates on both wide and narrow locks. 



  8. On a busy profitable canal anything that wears the infrastructure is accepted as the price of keeping traffic moving - if gates need replacing a year or two earlier so be it, the abuses are getting traffic on it's way faster and maintaining profitability.


    On a less used, less profitable canal avoiding wear and tear may be paramount, what we don't know is what went with not strapping boats to stop them, but we can be fairly certain it didn't involve hitting the bottom gates with a thwack. More likely the boats were carefully roped in and out and the whole operation was more bucolic. 


    I suspect (although @Pluto might know more) that early lock operation on early canals, and the T&S was relatively early, was probably a relaxed affair until they got busy and/or until the railways started competing.  

  9. 4 hours ago, Derek R. said:

    A covered shed; lots of skilled and non-skilled volunteers required; and a huge amount of money.


     The bit in bold 


    I was watching Bangers and Cash (whilst sorting Magpie the Elder's slide collection) last night and they were restoring a 1970s Saab. The materials were about £5k, the labour costs were north of £40k 


    If that's what it costs for a 1970s mid size car, gawd knows what the equivalent is for a full length narrow boat!

  10. 9 minutes ago, MtB said:



    Surely they are just bringing their mooring fees into line with CRT's. 


    £4k a year is a typical fee around here.




    They're certainly bringing them into line with what one might expect in central Dublin! And as Grand Canal Dock is about the only place to put long term moorings in the middle of Dublin (James Street Harbour was filled in years ago) such moorings locations are at a premium.

  11. Somewhere down the line you have to compromise - the best bike is the one you can take on board.


    When I bought my first narrow boat there were deep scratches in the paint on the roof, probably being caused by a bike being dragged along when caught on a tree. Somewhere on the bed of the  Cam there is a folding bike that was dragged off the roof....


    I see you have dismissed Brompton's, my experience with them was good, even on towpaths. Bear in mind you shouldn't be going fast on a towpath anyway, and that very few towpaths now are the muddy, eroded,  bramble strewn horrors of yore. I did most of the southern Oxford on a Brompton getting my car back after cruising. For me it was a Brompton or some very long walks. The Brompton can also be taken on buses, especially handy when the train you'd planned on turns out to be a bus....

  12. 22 hours ago, Barneyp said:

    As GRP boats are not normally designed specifically for canals they  tend to float higher in the water and/or have a v hull.


    This means that in order to get a reasonable internal cabin height the air draft is to high to fit through some tunnels and bridges, or in order to keep the air draft down you can't stand up in the cabin.



    The basic premise here isn't accurate - Juno has probably the best internal headroom of the boats I've owned, yet her cabin isn't significantly higher than a modern narrow boat. However there is much less boat "under the floor" than on a narrow boat - no stretchers, bearers or ballast - so you feet are only an inch above the water underneath in places. Add to that the gap between the ceiling and the roof is less (less insulation) and there is good headroom without excessive cabin height. The price for this is that it's colder in winter!

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  13. 9 hours ago, Barneyp said:

    I disagree, there are a lot of GRP with a 7ft beam for narrow canal use AND a hull which is clearly designed to plane at speed i.e. not on a canal.

    Most Norman boats have a beam for narrow canals and are also suitable for use on Rivers and costal waters. And lots of Shetland, Viking and other manufacturers boats are similarly designed. There were GRP boats built specifically for canals in the 60's and 70's, but once steel narrowboats became the preference, it wasn't worth producing boats for such a small market.

    Viking still make them so obviously it is worth "producing boats for such a small market"

    51 minutes ago, Barneyp said:

    I didn't say that having a planing hull made boats unsuitable for canals.

    I did say that a planing hull and/or shallow draught often leads to GRP boats having either quite a high Air draft or low internal cabin height in comparison to steel narrowboats.

    That doesn't make them unsuitable for canals, it was just something for the OP to be aware of.


    A lot of canal based GRP boats seem to have very oversized outboards.

    When I was getting an outboard for my canal based GRP boat I was advised not to get too big an outboard as that would lead to it running at near tickover most of the time, and it was better for the outboard to be run at higher revs.

    25 -30hp on a viking 32 is quite a lot for narrow canal use, and even if the outboard has the capacity to charge batteries, if you only ever run it at low revs it may not produce much charge.

    Probably best to ask on the Vikings Owners website or Facebook page.

    I agree with all that. For information, Juno is a Viking 23 and has always had a 10hp engine, easily big enough unless you want to stem the tide in the Avon Gorge.


    Can I add, it would be helpful if those of us who do own grp cruisers weren't frequently contradicted by some posters who clearly do not. Some of the things said about GRP cruisers above can only come from people who've never had one.


    GRP cruisers are economic and practical - I'd have given up boat ownership long ago if narrow boats were the only option. Even a 23 foot steel narrow boat would cost far more to run over, say, ten years, than a fibreglass cruiser does. 

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  14. 6 hours ago, Shropshire Landlubber said:

    Do you have any info about air draft and tunnels with a Viking please?



    This is from the Viking Owners Club website - gives it as 6 foot 6 inches. Vikings are all over the canal system so I can't think it's a major problem. Fir bridges and tunnels if you could stand on the back deck of a narrow boat to go through then the Viking should fit. The only places I can think of where mine almost certainly wouldn't fit are the M5 culvert on the Droitwich Canal and Froghall Tunnel on the Caldon. The highest point is the top of the windscreen. 


    The canopy is higher when it's up, and needs to be taken down going under the lift bridge at the entrance to the Somerset Coal Canal. Not doing this early in my ownership was expensive, but I've had the frame rounded so it's lower at the edges and higher in the middle. I prefer cruising with the canopy down anyway. 

    Viking website spec for 23

    The first coffee of the morning, sitting on deck looking backwards, canopy up, rear screen raised, is exquisite. The photo is me on Christmas day


    And if you need to be sold the dream - this is me and Lady V out for the day near Avoncliffe 


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  15. I have a fibreglass cruiser - a Viking 23. To be honest you'll hear a lot of rubbish about yoghurt pots, they're fine for canals. However I am beginning to think I'd like a boat I can step onto rather than need to climb onto, getting over the side deck and combing onto Juno's back deck is not something for dodgy knees and bad backs, especially as these small boats rock more readily - there's a Viking 26 centre cockpit moored near  me and the combing is even higher and combined with a narrower side deck. 


    In the medium term as my years advance I'm pondering a Wilderness Beaver or possibly even a Sea Otter for this reason 

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  16. 5 minutes ago, Dav and Pen said:

     Could be the Loire.




    It is the Loire, at Orleans, during the Festival de Loire in 2019. On the front of the moving boat are the Breton folk duo Agites du Bouzon. There were around 500 boats at the festival, on a river that is regarded as unnavigable by most modern standards

  17. 19 hours ago, Mike Hurley said:

    I believe the Feeder canal in Bristol was built by German POWs?


    As it was opened in 1809 that is unlikely


    There is some suggestion that French prisoners of war helped build Caen Hill Locks, and there are a number of French place names in the wider area, including Caen, Dunkirk and Petty France (Petite France - little France). There is also some stonework locally cut in the french style, that is with an axe rather than a saw, although I don't know that any of the locks feature this. 


    A waterway beyond the UK shores below

    International waterway.jpg

  18. On 15/01/2024 at 13:29, Heartland said:



    As to the last image the sub continent is correct, but not the country. This long navigation did however have a similar name to a English Waterway


    I've had to look this up, but I see there is also a Buckingham Canal in India, so is it that? 


    Beyond answering this I shall keep international stuff to the other thread!

  19. I had a good walk from Resolven to Ysgwrfa yesterday, a couple of photos below - took loads and will keep adding uploads as and when time permits. The canal is now derelict, and probably looks like many canals did in the 40's and 50's. The first lock at Resolven is probably useable as the gates were replaced in 2007, the others are not as they have the 1990 gates on. In some cases these older gates have been heavily patched indictating attempts to keep the canal going. On this evidence gates fall apart after 34 years! There is also silting which has led to reed growth and between them the channel is impassible in places. 


    There are only three miles of canal, and there were never many boats on it - two separate trip boats which may or may not have traded at the same time. Nevertheless in the late 90s the canal at Resolven was buzzing on a summer Sunday, with trip boats, canoes*, towpath walkers and gongoozlers indulging in coffee or ice cream. 


    *There is still canoe hire from Resolven in season, although only the pound the canoes are on is passable 


    There are seven locks on the length - one at the start described above, then a pair after about a mile, a single lock after  about another mile and then three up to the end at Ysgqwrfa. Having seen boats go through all seven about 30 years ago it's a bit sad. 




    Some of these would allow an interesting (to some) analysis of lock gate failure - most of the joints have rotted (which squares with CRT Bradley saying that it tends to be the joints that go - this seems to be true even on gates that aren't used) but in some instances the cross beams have snapped, they must be very rotten to do that with virtually no load other than the weight of the gate.


  20. 13 hours ago, Pluto said:

     I promise this is in the UK! The railway bridge abutments in the distance signify one reason this bit of canal was built. I took the photo in 1975.


    Is that the stub of the Lancaster Canal southern section at Wigan? The bit beyond the top of the locks? 

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