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Yes it’s back in crt hands. Think the trust members were just getting fewer and older. Maybe other reasons?
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Mine were brass wood screws into a wood backing plate. The screws either broke or the wood was perished. So I drilled the existing holes and tapped them. Fitted stainless steel from toolstation.
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Cannot see where anyone has already posted this apologies if someone has done.
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- Calor new position of filling small capacity LPG cylinders welcomed by BSS
Further to its published decision in January to discontinue its small capacity LPG cylinders from 1st February 2023, the Boat Safety Scheme (BSS) is very encouraged by Calor changing its position having listened to the concerns of the BSS and the boating community.06 April 2023NR23 001 Calors New Position On Small Cylinder Filling A Welcome Opportunity says BSS
Calor has made a statement to the BSS about the continued supply of LPG in its small cylinder sizes, 3.9kg propane and 4.5kg butane, for the immediate future which gives those affected boat owners a little breathing space and a golden opportunity to plan for alternative arrangements – either LPG cylinders from alternative suppliers or introducing safe and well-fitted adjustments to their gas system by competent installers.
The Calor statement to the BSS in full says;
In January we announced plans to streamline our small cylinder range to help put us in a better position to service our wider cylinder customers who rely on us to provide their home heating and hot water.
In taking this decision we underestimated the impact this would have on specific user groups who use the 3.9kg propane and 4.5kg butane cylinders for caravanning and boating. We have listened to concerns and we are finalising plans to continue to exchange and refill serviceable* cylinders of these sizes, phasing them out of supply over a longer time frame. This should give users additional time to source an alternative way to power their onboard facilities.
We are working out the full details of this process and will communicate this as soon as we can.
*Serviceable cylinders are those that do not require refurbishment, due to age or damage. Calor is able to keep this stock of cylinders in circulation for the foreseeable future. However, they will be phased out once they reach end of life and will not be replaced by new cylinders of these sizes. Cylinders that are deemed unserviceable will be taken out of circulation. This means that over time, and as the number of cylinders decrease, supplies will be limited for users of these specific sizes.
Our advice to boaters is to take advantage of this new Calor position and use the opportunity it affords to, if changes are necessary, find competent expertise in local boats yards or through the Gas Safe Register www.gassaferegister.co.uk/find-an-engineer-or-check-the-register/ and ensure any changes are safe and compliant with boat LPG Codes of Practice and BSS Requirements.
In the coming weeks the BSS will add useful information to our website to help affected boat owners transition to alternative arrangements.
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NOTES FOR EDITORS
The BSS is a public safety project owned jointly by the Canal & River Trust, registered as a charity with the charity number 1146792, and the Environment Agency. At least 14 other navigation and harbour authorities have also adopted it. The navigation authorities’ purposes for the Scheme are to help reduce the risks of fire, explosion and pollution on small craft. This is done by promoting fire safety and pollution avoidance advice to help boat owners keep themselves and their crews’ safe as well as regular examination of fuel systems, gas systems, electrical systems and appliances. The BSS is responsible for the administration and supervision of the BSS examination scheme.
BSS certification has a life span of four years. Navigation authorities using the Scheme usually require BSS certification at the time of licensing, registration, toll renewal or similar. The certification is achieved when a boat is found to be compliant with all the BSS requirements relevant for that boat. These can be freely downloaded or read on www.boatsafetyscheme.org . The compliance check is carried out by authorized and independent practitioners known as BSS Examiners.
The Boat Safety Scheme is owned by the Canal & River Trust and Environment Agency. It is supported and promoted by the Association of Inland Navigation Authorities. The Scheme is administered by © Canal & River Trust which is registered charity in England and Wales (1146792)
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1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:
It has been quoted and discussed several times in the past year, but with more and more threads on the pros & cons of installing and using them it does no harm to repeat it again.
I could not believe it must have missed it on here
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Just been reading a very interesting post on Facebook regarding fitting these cheap diesel heaters and being able to use plastic fuel tanks and lines which come with them hope it has not already been posted on here https://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/media/299306/bss-interim-position-on-diesel-appliance-fuel-supply-arrangements-dec-2021-final-v10-modified-on-211208.pdf
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3 hours ago, peterboat said:
We are now at 5 dead swans with another in trouble, ots swimming in circles constantly grooming and no interest in food, it will be gone tomorrow, Defra other than recording don't seem interested, its very upsetting as I do feed the swans when they come a knocking
Not at all nice to watch we have just listed three cygnets where I live within days of each other. This wildlife sanctuary seem to be having success dealing with this terrible disease https://www.thewaterfowlsanctuary.co.uk/articles/ai.htm
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12 minutes ago, Jerra said:
I assume you or the organisation returning it to the wild know about Euring. It may be reported there by people who don't read the forum, it would probably also be a good idea to post the colour of the Darvic ring. I know when I am checking swans knowing the colour is a help.
Amended the post it’s a green ring. Just trying to locate it using the local boaters who might see the swan probably on its own. Sure the lady who has lots of contacts would be informed by the other Chanels if it’s seen and reported. We know it has moved up the canal but have just lost sight of it now.
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Hi Please if anyone sees a male swan last seen Trent and Mersey canal at Acton Bridge with green ring number CLC2 will you let me know where. It’s a swan which has been returned ti the canal after having treatment for an injury which has not settled in its old area.
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I bought that kit on ebay from that seller wish I had paid the few pounds more for one he does with diagnostic connectors to make it simpler. Works perfectly on my windows laptop. Fast delivery as well.
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It’s worth talking to lancing Marine they can tell you if your controller mechanism is the soft shift one by sending them a picture of the underside. I believe that they can modify it to soft shift controller. Mine was already a soft shift controller so bought the soft shift plate accumulators from them which delays smooths the oil flow to the clutches which 100% cured the fault. kit cost just less an £300 pounds no idea how much from beta marine.
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1 hour ago, 170968 said:
I don't have Facebook, but I'd like to read it. Do you happen to have a link so I can maybe use a friends account, or get them to copy/paste it?
This is a note for those of you with two lithiums connected in parallel with internal BMSs whether hybrid or not. Some have been noticing that one battery discharges while the other one doesn’t despite the discharge ‘switch’ on both the BMSs being turned on and this doesn’t change until the charge switch turns back on on the second battery. After some experimentation and research on Mark at Lifebatteries’ part and a bit of muppetry of my own to confirm and explain it we have an explanation:
Because all discharge has to take place by current flowing from the battery and ‘backwards’ through the diode in the turned off charge switch before it gets to the discharge switch there is a small voltage drop in the turned off charge switch. Now if you have two batteries in parallel and they both have their charge switches off as they have reached full charge both will deliver power together briefly until one of them turns its charge switch back on. Even though they are set the same there will be small tolerances that means one will switch first. As soon as that one switches the charge back on its voltage will rise by the amount of the voltage drop that was across its diode and this could be over 0.3 volts. This means that it will now take the load current and so the other battery voltage won’t decrease as there is no load so it won’t switch back on. Eventually, under a light load, the battery taking the load will decrease in voltage and then the other battery will start delivering load which will drop its voltage and allow its charge switch to turn on. They will now deliver power together and, to a certain extent, equalise between themselves however, at the next full charge they will become fully equalised.
Now that this mechanism is understood it is fairly safe to say that it actually isn’t a problem, it won’t reduce capacity and both batteries are actually turned on so there is no worry about only being able to use one. Of course another way to get the other battery to turn its charge switch back on is to give the system a heavy load.
One way to possibly reduce this effect a bit would be to raise the charge reconnect voltage from 13.5 to 13.55, you may say ‘why not 13.6’ and the reason is to keep the batteries away from being held at 13.6 for long periods which would effectively be at full charge. No it might not do much harm but then nor does a bit of imbalance between two batteries.
Just for fun and for those interested here is a diagram of the relevant bits of the BMS with the mosfets being CFET and DFET for charge and discharge respectively.This is what the answer was from Phil who runs the site who is very clued up on all thing electric I would try getting on facebook and join the group as it’s a fantastic source of information regarding set ups plus have a link for buying Lithium batteries with good customer support and back up. When i finally take the plunge.
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There’re is a very good article on the 12 volt boating group on facebook which goes into detail as to why this happens and is quite common I keep looking at lithium batteries. There is a wealth of information regarding lithium batteries on this forum.
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Depending what gearbox you have sounds more like the gearbox maybe slipping. personally i would check the level of gearbox oil especially if it’s a box with clutch plates.Then the adjustment of the gear cable and movement of the lever. It could have come loose or the cable might be failing.
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On 03/10/2022 at 21:48, Jerra said:
The import and sale of weights containing lead for angling was banned in 1986 so lead poisoning is an interesting diagnosis. Is there much shooting in the area, as I think the majority of shot is still lead.
So it may not be fishermen to take all the blame.
Just recently there’s shooting going on in the fields near Middlewich towpath side heading towards Davenham. My thought was it’s too near the tow path but they seem to face away from the towpath when shooting. The guns they are using are extremely loud.
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32 minutes ago, Morris said:
I believe the Beta engines are fantastic engines all manufactured engines could have problems when too much load is put on the pulley. There must be loads of Betas out there which have been fine with no problems beta have done many different set ups. But my opinion for the sake of little money if you have the splined shaft why take a chance fit the support and forget about it if running large alternators or AC motors.
Yes it is interesting because Nick Norman said his engine was from 2010 the pulley in his pic doesn't seem to be taking the drive from the splines, unless the splined end is longer than midnight's example?
This has no bearing on my life (the boat in the initial post became available again but we didn't like it as much as another boat with a vetus engine, and anyway it had a 38 not a 43) but I'm still interested to know!
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9 hours ago, Morris said:
I'm sure I read on here about there being 'short' engines that had the splined end cut off, but that this wasn't necessarily the case for all of them. My understanding is that, as Chevron has said, engines like yours have the woodruff key arrangement but have the splined shaft intact and the point of the kit in his pic is to convert the pulley so that the splines take the load.
Personally I do not think Beta have changed the crankshaft from woodruff key to splined shaft. If you look on the beta marine website the picture of the beta marine 43 engine on the data sheet which shows the front pulley seems to show a splined support similar to the one I have posted a picture of. It would be nice if someone who has contact with someone at beta marine could confirm if the new engines have a woodruff key.
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22 minutes ago, Morris said:
Thank you all for the replies and pictures.
Sorry but just to be sure I've got this right, are there three possibilities where the crankshaft & pulleys are concerned:
1. Splined crankshaft end and corresponding pulleys (later engines - Nick Normans pic?)
2. Woodruff key pulley connection with protruding splined crankshaft end (which has the possibility of fitting support kit in chevrons pic?)
3. Woodruff key with cut crankshaft end
And it is No 3 with Travelpower that is best to avoid?
Also Is it a similar situation with the 38?
Sorry for all the dumb questions, I learned that hard way about buying things I know nothing about with classic cars
Woodruff key pulley with either the splines protruding or beta marine have cut some off. Never heard of a splined crankshaft wonder if people are getting it confused with having protruding splines . would be nice if they have up dated the crank to a stronger construction?
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7 minutes ago, chevron said:
I got the support direct from beta marine it was three or four years ago and was about 50 pounds plus postage. On my travel pack the ac alternator was mounted on the gearbox and was driven by a long shaft with a pulley on from a pulley on the front of the crankshaft. The clutch was fitted on the pulley on the long shaft they mentioned at beta they had tried it and it had not worked as intended. Bit more information about the system i had and removed. the engine ran at idle then when you pressed a button the engine would run at 1500rpm continuously, the gearbox a PRM500 had a trolling valve fitted and controlled the speed of the prop from zero to max revs. Everyone used to shout at me to slow down doe to the engine noise. I guess this set up was to take the strain off the engine trying to drive the ac motor. In my kitchen area you can start the engine and press a button which then runs the engine at 1500rpm so you could use the ac motor which was 7kw if cooking electric. My boat when I bought it came from an owner who had bought the boat and engine system from new. I think they had some problems as hand written notes included detailed belt problems when I have looked at the front crank pulley bolt mine has been drilled and roll pins fitted to stop it moving this could have only been done with the engine removed due to difficult access.
Sorry yes a freewheel pulley not clutch
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14 minutes ago, nicknorman said:
Where did you get the support from please?
On the slipping clutch comment, do you mean a freewheel pulley? Both the Travelpower and the large alternator have freewheel pulleys which apparently do help.
15 minutes ago, nicknorman said:Where did you get the support from please?
On the slipping clutch comment, do you mean a freewheel pulley? Both the Travelpower and the large alternator have freewheel pulleys which apparently do help.
I got the support direct from beta marine it was three or four years ago and was about 50 pounds plus postage. On my travel pack the ac alternator was mounted on the gearbox and was driven by a long shaft with a pulley on from a pulley on the front of the crankshaft. The clutch was fitted on the pulley on the long shaft they mentioned at beta they had tried it and it had not worked as intended. Bit more information about the system i had and removed. the engine ran at idle then when you pressed a button the engine would run at 1500rpm continuously, the gearbox a PRM500 had a trolling valve fitted and controlled the speed of the prop from zero to max revs. Everyone used to shout at me to slow down doe to the engine noise. I guess this set up was to take the strain off the engine trying to drive the ac motor. In my kitchen area you can start the engine and press a button which then runs the engine at 1500rpm so you could use the ac motor which was 7kw if cooking electric. My boat when I bought it came from an owner who had bought the boat and engine system from new. I think they had some problems as hand written notes included detailed belt problems when I have looked at the front crank pulley bolt mine has been drilled and roll pins fitted to stop it moving this could have only been done with the engine removed due to difficult access.
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It is correct that some with a travel pack driven off the front pulley can end up with a loose pulley and damage to the key way resulting in a new pulley and crankshaft being needed. The spline shaft at the front is where a tractors accessories would be driven from. Beta sometimes cuts the splined shaft off for easy access to tighten the pulley nut which is in the maintenance guide to be check for tightness. Where my engine is fitted checking the tightness would be so difficult as up against a bulk head. I had so much trouble with the travel pack and drive belts and on talking to Beta Marine they had tried even a one was slipping clutch to improve operation. I removed the system as i felt like I was driving a ticking time bomb which would destroy the engine. I bought and fitted a very reasonably priced support which takes the strain off the crankshaft. Which Personally I would fit even if i has large alternators. Picture attached of kit
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2 hours ago, Hudds Lad said:
I'd not pay that much for UB-40
Is that a petrol station, or Halfrauds?
Petrol station
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I know inflation is high but would anyone pay this much for Wd40
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1 hour ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:
How many hours has the engine done? The bracket will be a Beta designed one, not part of the base engine. Worth sending the pics to Beta. Helps them build up a file on the weak spots in their marine conversion. They may have seen this before and might even send you a new bracket if they've changed the design. You never know!
Engine has done quite a lot of hours (hour meter had failed) had a replacement. What I hope has caused this is the boat has a Prm 500 gearbox which used to go into gear very fiercely with a real bang and a shake that’s now cured completely by putting a soft shift on a few months ago. Think this bracket had started to fail a long time ago as a result of that hopefully.
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This bracket has failed on my beta 50 i guess it supports the oil cooler for the prm 500 gearbox. Find it strange that such a thick bracket has failed and as to why.
Li-0n, these look interesting
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