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Hmm, mine's coming up for its first BSS next year... 😉

I meant don't use someone who has posted on this thread that he won't install/replace/sign off anything that isn't "marine compliant" (like your Caprice), because -- as he says on his own website -- he often disconnects such equipment as being unsafe. And in that case he wouldn't even be able to replace it with a new "marine compliant" one because the only ones available (costing £600-£700) are a different size/shape/format to your cooker... ☹️ He is of course perfectly entitled to do this and follow the Gas Safe/ISO rules to the letter -- whether they apply in your case or not, which is certainly not clear -- but that's not much consolation to you if you end up without a working cooker as a result... 😉

If you ever need another service (or BSS inspection), I can suggest who not to book to do it... 😉

It's not a huge risk, this is a temporary installation while the welding is done, and the MDF might not even get wet if the boat doesn't go anywhere -- and even if it does, it takes quite some time for MDF to go soggy and disintegrate, as I found with a leaky washing machine at home... ☹️ A piece of almost anything the right size will do the job, put some polythene underneath if you have some but don't worry if you haven't.

Absolutely, whatever floats your boat. Number of laundrettes has definitely dropped a lot though, even with the Wash-Me machines... 😉 AI Overview There are around 2,000 to 2,500 traditional high-street launderettes left in the UK, though automated outdoor and forecourt units (such as Wash.ME) have grown to over 1,000 locations. thelaundryrevolution.co.uk +2 How the Numbers Have Changed Over Time Origins (1949): Britain’s first self-service coin-operated launderette opened in Bayswater, London in May 1949. Find a Launderette +1 The Peak (Early–Mid 1980s): The number of traditional launderettes peaked at roughly 12,500 nationwide, serving as vital high-street hubs as domestic washing machines became more common in smaller urban homes. BBC +2 The Sharp Decline (1990s–2010s): Widespread and affordable home washing machine ownership, rising high-street rents, high equipment repair and energy costs, and planning rules allowing shop conversions caused numbers to plummet to about 3,000 by 2010–2012. The Guardian +5 Recent Years (2020s): High energy prices, COVID-19 impacts, and modern student housing developments pushed traditional indoor launderette numbers down further to around 2,000. Meanwhile, 24/7 self-service outdoor units placed at supermarkets and petrol stations have expanded as a modern alternative. The Times +2

Yes I know. But it still doesn't make sense to have a huge raft of rules -- some of dubious justification! -- in the BSS (supposedly to keep boaters and/or the general public safe) and requiring inspectors to undergo expensive training while allowing a boatbuilder with no verified expertise whatsoever to sign off the initial boat build... ☹️ Unless of course you're an organisation which employs people who enjoy devising such lengthy rules and then makes money out of enforcing them... 😉 (see also comments about another boating organisation with a two-letter acronym in the LFP threads...)

All fine if you're moored near a laundrette, which I expect you are. However laundrettes are becoming scarcer as the demand for them continues to drop, many boaters won't have one within reasonable distance, and may not have transport (car or public) to easily get to one. In that case an onboard washer -- or washer/drier (no condensation!) if you can afford the power consumption -- makes a lot of sense, if you have space for one.

Thanks, that's interesting and I hadn't realised that... 😊 So logically the authorities must care rather less about the safety of Cat D boats, otherwise they wouldn't allow the risk of such (unqualified) self-certification. Which logically should mean that all the other rules should be relaxed too, for example much-simplified RCR/BSS rules which only address the bigger genuine safety risks -- that would also cut down the time needed to do a BSS inspection, and presumably make it cheaper... 😊 I'm sure many canal boaters would be delighted if this was the case, but I somehow doubt it will happen... ☹️

That's hardly surprising, they'd probably sell a lot fewer compost loos if they told customers what a PITA (ho, ho...) it was getting rid of the solid waste. But as pointed out with selling/using things which are illegal, it's the buyer/users problem not the sellers, they don't have to tell their customers how they can legally use them... ☹️

Of course, because there are very few fatal fires/explosions on boats from any source, including gas and LFP installations -- stoves are the most common cause. But the ones that do happen quite often kill people -- are you saying this can be ignored because it only happens occasionally? I'm not saying that new builds are all dangerous or indeed that the rules are all appropriate or sensible (because some are obviously not!), I'm saying that it makes no sense that on one hand BSS inspections (of boats in general, not just gas installations) have to be made by trained inspectors with standards/certification/qualification, but on the other hand sign-off on new boats (including gas) can be made by a boatbuilder/fitter with none of these -- and what is worse, who is marking their own homework and so has a positive incentive not to spend money fixing things, or even cut corners in the first place. Do you disagree? <sigh> no I'm not arguing that, I'm saying that some things controlled by the RCR/BSS rules are a lot more dangerous than others, and that allowing self-certification by boatbuilders (like today) opens up opportunities for dangerous errors in construction -- it makes no sense insisting on niggling little rules about tiny-risk things like labels in RCR/BSS while there is this glaring loophole. At least, if you actually care about boat safety rather than writing (or quoting...) endless regulations -- and the same seems to apply to the 2025 revision of the ISO standard which applies to gas appliances... ☹️ All it would take to fix this is to require new boats to be inspected/signed off by a qualified inspector, not the boatbuilder (to avoid the "marking own homework" problem). That's a sensible approach not meaningless bureaucracy, and it's how safety works in many other areas of life. Oh yes -- and while you're at it, remove all the misapplied pettifogging rules which cost boaters money and are a PITA (e.g. requiring "marine" certification of cookers!) and concentrate on consistent enforcement (not BSS examiner opinion!) of ones which make genuine contributions to boat/boater safety... 😊 (dons asbestos pants and waits for incoming flak about LFP batteries...)

That was what I suspected, I just wanted confirmation. Which as I said is a ridiculous position, given the requirements that BSS puts on examiners, especially for residential boats. Oh come on Alan, join the real world... Which matters more for safety, a missing tank filler label or a potentially lethal gas installation? Do you genuinely think the two "compliance failures" are of equal importance? Your attitude is why so many boaters justifiably have contempt for pettifogging "compliance" rules which make no real contribution to safety, while having gaping holes which present genuine hazards -- and it seems that the gas rules being discussed fall into just that category... :-(

Are you going to start the engine (run the prop) or move the boat while the weed hatch is being fixed? If not and the weed hatch trunk is far enough above water level (IIRC 10" is the recommended height, though many boats have less), you don't really need to do anything, the water isn't going to magically jump up out of the weed hatch and sink your boat. If you're still worried about this, put something over the top (a piece of wood?) and seal it with gaffer/duct tape. If you are going to run the prop and/or move the boat, something rather more robust and watertight would be a good idea... 😉

None of which has a fat lot to do with the questions being asked... 😉 The issue is not who is supposed to do what, it's who checks what they've done, and what qualifications they have. In practice, not in theory... 😊 You keep on going on about fraudulent boatbuilders as if it's commonplace -- how about providing some actual evidence to back up your assertion, especially regarding things like gas installations (not guns) which is what this thread is discussing? (not whether they're not 100% compliant with the rules because they haven't labelled a diesel tank filler...)

"...technically more honest..." -- an interesting interpretation. Many might think that you were being unfairly lenient to frogface... 😉

What has the frogfaced grifter done this time?

Of course not, but most of the others don't cause boats to explode if they go wrong... ;-) (except hybrid propulsion systems, obviously...) Regardless of this, it makes no sense to require much tighter controls over BSS inspections -- which are supposed to be about safety, aren't they? -- than an initial boat build.

But were you paid a huge amount for doing all those different jobs, and for different companies? Also many people do many different "jobs" as part of their role, you're hardly alone there... 😉

Because if you start a thread slagging off civil servants for being lazy and doing multiple jobs, you shouldn't be surprised when it's pointed out that the same applies in spades to a politician who wants to be the boss of all those civil servants in future?

Don't forget the captain's hat, complete with gold braid... 😉

You may well have been a lifelong avid anti-EU Brexiteer, but many others weren't -- and the fact that some of them have changed their minds since 2016 shows that they were influenced by the Brexit campaign and the lies/false promises promoted by its supporters, who in turn were supported by Russia. It now looks as if there is likely to be a referendum about whether to rejoin the EU; let's see if you're still crowing about being in the majority then, because all the polls say you won't be... 😉 https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/55712-if-the-government-decides-to-rejoin-eu-britons-say-there-should-be-a-referendum If the government negotiated a deal to rejoin the EU, 64% of Britons say there should be a referendum before deciding to rejoin; 23% say the government should be able to make the decision without a referendum Holding a referendum is the preferred approach among all voting groups, as well as those who would vote to rejoin the EU in such a referendum (54%) In the event of a referendum, 52% of Britons would vote to rejoin the EU, while 27% would vote to remain out of the bloc 22% of 2016 Leave voters would now vote to rejoin the EU

So what gas-related qualifications -- if any! -- does the boatbuilder need to sign off the DoC? If the answer is "none" then there's an obvious and real safety risk here, they could know lots about nailing wood together and absolutely nothing about gas installations, and they're marking their own homework... ☹️

We have a pair that look identical but with a different name. Don't get used that often, but work just fine when lock wheeling or otherwise out of sight of the boat.

If it costs people money to make (good quality) free-to-view content and they can't afford (or don't want) to bear the costs themselves, they have to make money out of it somehow. Paid promotion is one way to do this, lurid thumbnails to attract the masses are another one. Which people think is worse is a matter of opinion, but unless they want to pay for the content (which almost nobody does) they need to put up with one or the other... 😉

The dog is the cutest... ❤️ P.S. Who is "Sadia Khan"? 😉