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  7. An update: I had my operation on April 7th, 5 nights in hospital, a lump the size of a fist removed from my thigh, leaving a crater the moon would be proud of. Wound has healed well and I was able to drive my van a short distance yesterday, though walking very far is more of a challenge due to lack of practice. Starting to think about the possibility of visiting my boat in about 2 weeks time??? Possibly after getting a small piece of swarf, probably stainless steel, out of my knee. Oh and umpteen scans show no sign of spread so that''s good. (The extra apostrophe is sheer exuberance).
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  9. Hi there. I haven't read through all of the thread but you've had great advice above. We bought our first NB privately last year so I'll share my experience. Our situation was slightly unusual because the previous owner had sadly died not long after getting the boat and his son was selling it. Fortuitously the boat had been purchased in the son's name and he had proof of ownership, so this made things less complicated as he had clear right to sell (ie no complicated probate issues). The manager of the small marina where it was moored acted as point of contact between us and the seller but he was not acting as a broker per se. The boat was advertised on the Duck and we were first to see it. We put in an offer subject to survey, which was accepted, and arranged a survey at nearby yard where the boat could be lifted out. We also arranged to have the boat blacked if the survey was ok, but if not it was going straight back into the water. We neither offered nor were not asked to pay a deposit. The seller organised for a local sea dog to take us and the boat to the lift-out yard. This was a 6-7 hour journey and it gave us a great opportunity to steer the boat and thoroughly test all systems. It was during this cruise we identified a number of issues such as fried batteries, badly neglected water tank, broken fridge and loo etc. We stayed in a local B&B so we could be on hand for the survey. Structurally the boat was in good order so we negotiated the price with the seller to take into account the issues we had uncovered. We had access to a file of paperwork about the boat so I had chance to check the RCD, previous bills of sale and surveys, engine servicing etc. On agreeing terms we paid in full by bank transfer and the boat was ours. (As a period property restorer I'm used to paying large sums by transfer so I always send a test payment of a small random amount first then ask the recipient to confirm the amount in person or over the phone. The seller was known to the marina manager so I knew I was speaking to the real person and not a scammer). I used the most recent ABNB bill of sale as a template for our transaction. We stayed on in the marina (White Mills - what a great place it was) for a few weeks to carry out essential work on the boat; water tank, loo etc, and then brought her home. More than doubled the engine hours last year and have loved every minute. Good luck and welcome. PS I would be very wary of paying a deposit through a broker unless I was absolutely sure I could get my money back if the boat didn't fair well at survey. A fee people have had problems with this and at least one broker has refused to accept the survey findings and repay a deposit, which I find disgusting behaviour.
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  10. When buying from either a private seller or broker, I am totally against this process of handing over a large deposit before having a survey unless you are totally committed to buy regardless of the survey outcome. As mrsmelly says above, if the deposit is to hold the boat while getting the balance organised, that is totally different. I might grudgingly hand over a nominal £500 before the survey, just to stop the boat being sold, but no way would I be handing over the thousands that other buyers seem to feel happy doing. I've seen some brokers stating that basically if you have handed over the deposit you have committed to buying the boat. The survey might show that, for example, £5000 is needed for overplating. The brokers standpoint is that as long as the seller has the work done you cannot back out of the purchase. My point is that, until I had seen the survey, I had no idea the boat I was thinking of buying needed overplating. I do not want a boat that has either had overplating done, or needs it doing. Also, with work of that importance being done for the seller, the legal ramifications of subsequently claiming for shoddy work done for a previous owner, by me as the present owner, don't bear thinking about.
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  12. I think it needs to be said that the previous two posters are very experienced boaters.Probably been boating since Pontius got his pilot's licence,and they will know pretty much what they are looking at. If you are not familiar with boats,then the safest way is as described.View,offer,survey and purchase.
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  20. It will probably suffice, but we negotiated enough off the asking price specifically to 2-pack the boat. I would feel dishonest if we then chose to not get the work done and would feel the need to reimburse the seller (it's just who I am as a person, no point arguing). So I think we will do the very best we can for the boat, even if it's slightly overkill. I'm happy to use a 'get-us'by' temporary blacking, provided the hull doesn't deteriorate further, then go ahead with the 2-pack. Thanks though Bobby!
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  23. Buyer didnt have a survey. I have owned 8 boats and never had a survey. Further to this I have owned and sold 8 boats and only one of the 8 had a survey by the buyer. It was a good old fashioned transaction, he paid in to my account with no contract just two blokes a seller and a buyer. I retained boat and he came and paid the rest and took boat away. This is the beauty of boats, no paperwork crap or solicitors. I am at present buying a house and its crap on top of more crap. Yep, completely agree. My quickest purchase was my last boat. I saw it at 1100 and paid for it at 1120, job done, a bloody good boat. The wife didnt even see it until I drove it to our mooring a week later lol.
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  24. If you intend having a survey, then the porocess is pretty much the same as buying via a broker. View, offer, pay deposit, arrange surveyor, get report, haggle on price to allow for the faults the surveyor has found, agree a price, pay for the boat. If you are not having a surveyor, then you take the same approach as both myself (and Mrsmelly - above), take a carrier bag full of cash with you. View the boat, agree a price, pay cash take the boat away. The fastest I have done a boat purchase was 35 minutes, from arrival to driving the boat away (and 10 minutes of that was the owner removing his last few personal items) A 'new thing' to look for is that if it was built post 1998 it must have the RCD documentation, buyers are now reporting that sellers are not legally allowed to sell a boat with the RCD documentation. The Revised RCR states that the RCR is now 'for life' where previously people worked to the '5 year rule'. Many on here will know the story, but, I was looking at a boat that did not have the correct paperwork and could not be sold, so I offered £80,000 less than the selling price to 'take as is'. It was accepted. I subsequently managed to obtain the correct paperwork and VAT certificate from the manufacturers and Customs office. There is still a lot of misunderstanding of the RCR on the inland waterways and if what the brokers are saying is correct then a lot of boats will become difficiult to sell as few people have documentation. Just be aware and make your decision aftrer careful consideration. ** RCR = Recreational Craft Regulations. What deposit ? You go with 100% of the cash and buy the boat if you are happy - no risk to either party (unless the boat is stolen) It is not unusual (for some of us) to go and view, pay cash and drive the boat away with no survey. It is not something to be recomended unless you have some boat knowledge. In the last 30 years I have bought 18 boats and sold 16, only had one survey (the 1st boat) and when I realised what a rip off it was (- surveyor failed to identify £20,000 of faults and when I tried to take him to court solicitor told me his small print made the survey pretty much worthless) I never had another survey.
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  26. I sold mine last month. Buyer drove 150 miles and looked at boat. He rang me next day with offer I accepted and asked for 5k deposit to hold boat. He paid deposit and returned on agreed date and paid other money into my bank account. I took him out for a days tuition and he has taken boat away, job done simple as that.
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  34. Used Craftinsure for years, never claimed.
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  36. Alan - I took the photo while the paint on the cone was drying - but well spotted!!
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  38. Any seller that was convinced his boat was sound and worth the agreed price should be happy to accept it going through subject to survey without a deposit. If the survey subsequently found a problem, the potential buyer would be well in his rights to walk away - bit difficult if the seller has already banked £6000 of the buyers hard earned. The subject of a buyer just frivolously making multiple offers on a variety of boats is another thing. Its not protected when buying a house which kinda grates with me, but that's the way of things - I consider boat buying to be similar. If a potential buyer has paid for a survey and paid for the boat to be taken out of the water, that shows a reasonable level of commitment in the region of £1000 - £1500.
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  40. Yes, this view from the winding-hole shows it is a flat bridge. The nice Mr Google shows Bull Plain Bridge (the bridge of the road called Bull Plain) on street views since 2009, and also the other local bridges as flat. On our trip we had insufficient time to sample the beer ...
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  43. You have beaten me to it Alan.Was about to edit in pretty much what you have said. It does make more sense to buy a marine approved heater which will come with the necessary piping albeit more expensive. The heaters that are sold for trucks and motorhomes do need an awful lot of work and additional expense for them to comply with BSS guidlines.
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  44. I did it wasn't too bad and I had a great prop puller. My top tip would be to tie all tools parts removed including the prop something so when (not if) you drop it it's not lost. I've also done it out of water. It's 500% easier! My prop will come off without fouling the rudder.
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  45. Is your blacking due ? If it is, get it done at the same time.
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  46. Wow, you guys were posh - when I was in the Cubs and Scouts and we went camping, the first job was to dig the latrine trench and erect a canvas screen around it. You then stood astride the trench when doing what you had to. The trick was not to fall in, especially if you had to go at night, though a common trick was to nudge some poor lad and make him fall in. I imagine that was why we didn't stay on the same field for too long.
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  47. Whell, spilling maye nort bee yor bestest subgekt, kepe triyng ?
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  49. I'm not really sure building two complex engineering structures which will be expensive to run and maintain is the best way to regenerate Runcorn. My worry is that what we'll end up with is two Thurlwood Steel Locks and no navigable canal
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