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Always sad to see a sight like this. I sincerely hope that nobody was hurt but we should all use this as a reminder how important it is to ensure our boats are as safe as possible. Have you got a smoke alarm and when did you last test it? Do you have two exits from your boat that are available for you to use and the routes to them are not cluttered? If nothing else if someone reads this and thinking about having an escape plan saves their life then that is forum etiquette enough for the post to stay as far as I am concerned.

In the pub or with a group of friends there are very few things, if any, subjects that are off limits, gallows humor and sarcasm bring it on, in an open public forum it is only good manners to be a touch more considerate.

Goose Busters? Sorry I couldn't resist? Is there a local facebook group you can post on?

Thanks! My two penneth: I come to this forum becasue it is full of a different mix of individuals than some others. If I want saccharine platitudes I know how to access Facebook. Yes, we might sometimes upset people unintentionally (and gross personal insults are pretty clearly off-limits around here which is fine) but the choice to be upset lies to a large extent with the reader. I've fallen into one of the bits of river in question myself when somewhat sleep deprived at the start of a relationship which led to some of the saddest (think scattering of small quantities of ashes in the same river for one thing) times in my life. And coming across mention of the location can trigger all sorts of memories. But those are mine, and for me to manage. Largely through black humour with very small audiences/large quantities of libations. If someone posts about it on here and I choose (note: choose) to read it, that is for me to deal with. Black humour and distraction may help some, and offend others. Personally I find it hard to respond to overly-optimistic posts (particularly with as many emojis as characters) which imply things may some how be OK/for the best/... when they clearly are not. I've seen dignified posts from families saying they understand things are at a recovery stage and looking for help with that being replied to with all sorts of insensitive "hope found safe and well" nonsense... But I accept that others may find them comforting/well intentioned and don't suggest they be banned. Equally when someone expresses that they find a comment in poor taste, well, that seems OK too, no? At least two people involved in one of the recent incidents are actively using boaty social media to publicise it... so, possibly more than you'd think? Happy juggling.

Don'know, no one talks to me ,I'm in Coventry.

One tells the box "If you lose your internet connection, unplug yourself and then plug yourself back in, that might fix it." The other tells the box "Ring your mother!" Well, nearly!

I thought someone might ask! Seriously I will try and answer the various points made, respecting commercial confidentiality of course. As is well known the intention always has been (and is) to move sea dredged aggregate from Hull to the new wharf at Stourton (Port Leeds) when it opens - later this year, or more likely early 2021 - both to a potential readymix plant and also 'out of the gate'. However rather unexpectedly an opportunity has recently arisen to move the material into Leeds sooner than expected so the Trust was asked by CBOA if the former Leeds Terminal (at Old Mill Lane Knostrop) could be used on a temporary basis pending opening of Stourton terminal. The wharf at Knostrop has 'protected' status conferred by Leeds City Council at least until Stourton opens and so in principle it can be used. A part of the wharf (the open area) has to be (and is) kept clear for the purpose. However there are two challenges, the first of which was not mentioned in the report. The site is currently fully let which means there is nowhere to store the sand when it's discharged. However through the generosity of one of the occupiers and CRT there may be a way forward - but it may take a bit of time to sort. The second challenge, which is mentioned, is that because the site is already very busy the Trust has had to commission a study by an independent traffic consultant to show that there will be no additional risk to users from the extra road vehicle movements generated within the site , or that any such risks can be mitigated/managed. As the tonnage is relatively small the number of lory movements isn't all that great and it's hoped that this will not be a problem. It's not traffic on public highways that is a concern. In terms of taking traffic away from the proposed Leeds Port this is not envisaged as it's expected to transfer there anyway - although Leeds City planners do see Knostrop as providing a potential additional capacity should demand be greater than Stourton can accommodate - an independent study has shown a huge potential demand. (Stourton is rather better sited for access, has no residential dwellings anywwhere near, and is an industrial zone). As far as the navigation is concerned a survey has shown a small number of locations where some spot dredging or ploughing will be needed (including Knostrop wharf itself) but this can be organised fairly quickly (as has been done before). The frustration of the customer, and indeed of the two barge operators involved, can be readily appreciated - as these things take time. I hope that helps. regards David L

Point of order, Mi'lud... The advertising of services must be approved by a moderator.

You can get ones that do that and solder the joint at the same time.

Possibly both as the hunt isn't supposed to be chasing foxes.

Diddy?

Its an A127 and the two large blades are used on vehicles so one blade charges the battery while the other feeds the loads. This forms a junction that on a boat is often on the starter pos. It also reduces the current through each blade with high loads and a low battery. For marine use they fitted the stud B+ connection so the large blades and the stud are the same. Use the stud, the blades are likely to overheat and cause a bit of voltdrop. I think the aux is simply a blade riveted to the pos diode plate and on vehicles it was for a radio suppressor connection. The small blade close to the two large ones is the warning lamp connection.

They have dehydrated water, it's lighter to carry about. MP. ETA Monkey is not in the same room as me, I swear.

We encountered no problems (30" draught). We moored on the left after turning left on the way in. There was no weed either. She was out for a while. Two other cats sauntered along, we don't know if there was a standoff or not. There was no cat fight. Tilly prefers proper countryside though.

You are always bringing weird women into the conversation

But it is unknown that there are any unknowns, Shirley.

No actually you take note of the wishes and feelings of a tiny minority of members and select the lowest common denominator in terms of the worst virtue signalling offence-porn junkies (that was the intent behind the reference to LCD, I suspect) and allow them to take control, which of course is what they love. A number of people including myself have put the opposite view but this is disregarded in favour of the LCD. The bottom line is that if any discussion around the death of someone is to be disallowed, there is absolutely no point in having the thread in the first place other than as a virtue signalling opportunity for a few people who have never met the person to express their random condolences. Of course speculation around the death of someone (which presumably would include from a boating accident) is not proscribed in the forum rules and guidelines, so this is another example of the mod team making up the rules. i subscribe to an aviation forum called PPRuNe - Professional Pilot’s Rumour Network. Despite the inclusion of “Rumour” in the forum name, every time there is an aviation accident, up pops the vociferous offence porn junkies demanding that we don’t speculate on the cause of the accident because relatives might be upset. Fortunately on that forum, the mods stand firm and speculation continues despite the faux outrage. Ultimately the more you let the virtue signalling control freaks win, the more sterile the forum becomes. As it is, I now rarely visit except for technical threads because the rest is too controlled by the group-think. Have you ever read George Orwell’s 1984?