sons boat

[bux]

well just paid £100 at venetien marina, dry dock to be told they dont know where the leek is comming from, they are going to fill the dock tomorrow, to see if leek appears again, is yes they said the bottom may well need replating at a cost of around six thousand pounds, my son is gutted he boaught the boat without a survey and went on the total bull s##t the seller fed him, this was costly as my son has only had the boat for three months at a cost to him of the sale of ten thousand pounds my son is going to wipe his hands of the boat as he is n ow a nervous reck, but when he gets his head together again he has the sellers address and phone number and will be paying him a visit, as my son has a small child and the seller had no regard to selling the boat to my son knowing this, some people are just plain theives, well the seller better watch his back, that is all i can say, as for the boat, only good for scrap

[NB Lola]

A sad story, did he have a survey?

[cotswoldsman]

I feel for your son, but guess it is another example of why anyone buying a boat should have a survey done (no comfort to your son) Not sure if your threat of what sounds like a threat of violence helps with my symphony but will put it down to a mothers reaction in the heat of the moment.

Edited September 12, 2011 by cotswoldsman

[Pretty Funked Up]

pretty sure your insurance will cover this (unless it was subject to survey)

 

The same thing happened to a friend last year, we managed to stay on top of the leak and suss where it was coming from.

Craned out 3hrs welding later all done. The bill to the insurance company was £790, they paid it with no quibbles.

 

And yes he's still on the same boat! the nerves lasted a week or 2 afterwards tho

 

 

It also happened to a different mate about 8 yrs ago. Her boat with no leaks went in to be plated (as per survey) came out with leaks. Boat welder guy had to fit the bill for that one.

Edited September 12, 2011 by Pretty Funked Up

[Guest]

I feel for your son, but guess it is another example of why anyone buying a boat should have a survey don (no comfort to your son) Not sure if your threat of what sounds like a threat of violence helps with my symphony but will put it down to a mothers reaction in the heat of the moment.

 

My thoughts exactly TBH - I wouldn't have posted that wording as it may come back to haunt the OP's son if something did ever happen to the seller.

 

That said the anger and upset is pretty understandable given that in previous discussions on here surveys have been dismissed as unnecessary so it is easy to understand why perhaps somebody might take the risk.

 

It's easy to understand also the anger if somebody gets ripped off like this, especially a family member.

[nigel carton]

Hmmm, might be worth paying a surveyor a couple of hundred quid (quickly while out of the water)to look over the hull for you, I guess I'm hinting at a second opinion here. Be careful!!!

[JDR]

Sorry that your son and of course you have been caused so much stress. My understanding is that a private boat sale is pretty much caveat emptor, I don't think your son will have much recourse to law unless he has documentary proof that the state of the boat was misrepresented.

[Starcoaster]

That's really bad news, yes the seller shouldn't be able to get away with it.

I recently posted about a really nice looking boat very very cheap, a bit of internet digging revealed that it had changed hands three times in quick sucession and the original (and presumably, only honest seller of the lot) state that the boat's hull needs redoing and is uninsurable as is.

Unscrupulous people will cash in on others looking for a bargain, it's sucky but only a survey will protect you.

 

Might be worth having a look at that thread as there are various discussions on the cost of replating the bottom and options of patching it etc...

http://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=41114

[Guest]

Hmmm, might be worth paying a surveyor a couple of hundred quid (quickly while out of the water)to look over the hull for you, I guess I'm hinting at a second opinion here. Be careful!!!

 

Good point Nigel,

[Dovetail]

I am sorry for you and your son its all a bit of a shock.

 

Sometimes a bad survey can be more of a surprise to the seller than the purchaser.

 

I hope its not to bad

[David Mack]

... my son is gutted he boaught the boat without a survey and went on the total bull s##t the seller fed him, this was costly as my son has only had the boat for three months at a cost to him of the sale of ten thousand pounds ...

 

pretty sure your insurance will cover this (unless it was subject to survey)

 

I'm not so sure. If the boat has sprung a leak in three months, then the insurers may well take the view it was already defective when OP's son bought it, and therefore not covered.

 

David

[BoatinglLifeUpNorthIII]

For £10,000 I'm guessing it a 1970's boat possibly a 35-45ft springer? you won't get anything decent for that money and as the saying goes you get what you pay for, why no survey on purchase?????

[dor]

THere is a boat out of the water at Aqueduct in very similar circumstances. I.e. boat was bought without a survey, went up the Llangollen which probably knocked the mussels off the bottom which was the only thing filling the holes in the base plate.

 

I would suggest that the OP takes the boat a mile up the cut to Aqueduct Marina and have it taken out of the water and put on the hardstanding. There the hull can be looked at in detail and at leisure. The OP's son can still stay on the boat if he needs to.

 

Surprised that they can't work out where the water is comin in after dry-docking, but then it is not easy in a dry dock.

[carlt]

 

Surprised that they can't work out where the water is comin in after dry-docking, but then it is not easy in a dry dock.

It's easier to have a look just as the dock is emptied, to see where the water is squirting out.

[blackrose]

Sorry that your son and of course you have been caused so much stress. My understanding is that a private boat sale is pretty much caveat emptor, I don't think your son will have much recourse to law unless he has documentary proof that the state of the boat was misrepresented.

 

Precisely! I realise that the OP feels for her son and most of us have sympathy for anyone who has bought a lemon - be it a used car, motorbike, boat or lawnmower, but the idea that the vendor better watch his/her back is frankly ridiculous. Caveat emptor - buyer beware!

 

It's easier to have a look just as the dock is emptied, to see where the water is squirting out.

 

Well the water will pretty much be dripping from all over the hull as the dock is emptied, but if it's a big leak then yes. If it's a small leak them it may take more time to identify where it's coming from exactly.

[Timleech]

THere is a boat out of the water at Aqueduct in very similar circumstances. I.e. boat was bought without a survey, went up the Llangollen which probably knocked the mussels off the bottom which was the only thing filling the holes in the base plate.

 

I would suggest that the OP takes the boat a mile up the cut to Aqueduct Marina and have it taken out of the water and put on the hardstanding. There the hull can be looked at in detail and at leisure. The OP's son can still stay on the boat if he needs to.

 

Surprised that they can't work out where the water is comin in after dry-docking, but then it is not easy in a dry dock.

 

Just as easy/hard as on hard standing, surely?

 

Tim

[bux]

yes quite right sorry that i said seller wach his back, yes just a mothers anguish that a seller could do such a thing. my son is taking the boat to aqua duck marina in the morning to be taken out of the water...so the story goes on.......

[Smelly]

I wonder about the possibility of spending 20 quid on bright green food dye and filling the bilges with buckets of dyed water. Would that reveal a cracked weld?

[blackrose]

yes quite right sorry that i said seller wach his back, yes just a mothers anguish that a seller could do such a thing. my son is taking the boat to aqua duck marina in the morning to be taken out of the water...so the story goes on.......

 

There are some unscrupulous sods out there, but it's also just possible that the vendor didn't know himself.

 

I hope it turns out to be a minor bit of replating.

[carlt]

I wonder about the possibility of spending 20 quid on bright green food dye and filling the bilges with buckets of dyed water. Would that reveal a cracked weld?

Or six quid for the real thing, a pot of fluorescein.

 

Clicky

[Roxy]

yes quite right sorry that i said seller wach his back, yes just a mothers anguish that a seller could do such a thing. my son is taking the boat to aqua duck marina in the morning to be taken out of the water...so the story goes on.......

I wouldve probably said the same thing Bux, especially when the seller knows full well that your son has young family that could put them at risk through said leak.

 

Hope he gets it sorted soon

regards

Rachel

[Barry]

Or six quid for the real thing, a pot of fluorescein.

 

Clicky

 

Now that is damned good stuff - used to use it in the merchant navy to check for leaks in condensers and other places

 

You need a uv light to make it glow though don't you? Or is that something else I'm thinking of? (It was a very long time ago)

[carlt]

Now that is damned good stuff - used to use it in the merchant navy to check for leaks in condensers and other places

 

You need a uv light to make it glow though don't you? Or is that something else I'm thinking of? (It was a very long time ago)

 

In some circumstances but it will show up in daylight, usually.

 

When you're sat deep in a stormwater culvert and someone else is pouring the dye in a sewer, to indicate where the poo water is seeping in, you use a UV light.

[fee666]

only needs one word really

 

survey !

 

 

i really cannot understand why when buying a boat why anyone would not have a survey, they are not very expensive and could save you a lot of hartache. also if anything comes back from the survey that requires doing then this can be used to haggle on the asking price.

[blackrose]

I wouldve probably said the same thing Bux, especially when the seller knows full well that your son has young family that could put them at risk through said leak.

 

Hope he gets it sorted soon

regards

Rachel

 

Or if?