ITELDOO4ME

[iteldoo4me]

Hello,I believe many of you know about my boat problems,and that I had explained in detail about the builders negligence in the quality of build.Well for those of you who are interested,I now have the boat survey results,its certainly an eye opener,and probably would be of interest to some of you.So as not to confuse the issue too much,I have decided to put a statement on the forum showing the surveyors findings,as against putting the whole report here,although if you want that it will have to be after the court case.I can then name and shame.I have to give the builders the opportunity to settle out of court,I doubt if they will respond to my solicitors letter,as they dont seem too bothered about their reputation,which will be non existant by the time I'm done,and in many ways I hope not,as I really do want it to go to court.Its the only way to get noticed by the powers that be,that might be able to prevent this type of rip off antic happening again.Your views will be well recieved.So here are the findings,and the action suggested.

 

There are items on the boat that have not been listed,by the surveyor,such as:-

,1) bow,stern,& side hatch doors hinges welded to close to frame,preventing complete closure of doors,

2)roof drains too far forward,water collects in pool at stern,

3)roof sections not welded externally,now opening up letting in damp,

4) no access to fuel taps

 

 

**Although these few other faults are seemingly small,they are still faults,and not acceptable.All new boats have some remiadle work required,but am I the only one here getting a raw deal.I think not.

 

 

Conclusion

 

10.1 The narrowboat “Iteldoo4me” was surveyed was in the water at Shardlow Marina on 16th Dec 2005.

 

10.2 The engine cooling skin tank was badly formed and welded and should be cut out & replaced.

 

10.3 The hull was possibly leaking at the swim to bottom seam on the aft port side. This should be investigated further.

 

10.4 The hull was possibly leaking at the swim to bottom seam on the aft port side. This should be investigated further.

 

10.5 The diesel fuel tank was leaking at the pipe to tank connections and the spare outlet was not blanked off.

 

10.6 The stern tube/bearing is not ideal for canal use.

 

10.7 The cabin roof is badly buckled in way of the pigeon box.

 

10.8 The gas locker drains are as not at the lowest point.

 

10.9 The battery terminals were not covered or insulated.

 

10.10 I consider that the boat requires some remedial work to be carried out for it to meet the requirements of the Recreational Craft Directive and the Boat Safety Scheme.

 

10.11 The HIN number is not correct. The manufacturer should be contacted and the correct number should be appropriatly attached to the boat

[charles123]

Hello,I believe many of you know about my boat problems,and that I had explained in detail about the builders negligence in the quality of build.Well for those of you who are interested,I now have the boat survey results,its certainly an eye opener,and probably would be of interest to some of you.So as not to confuse the issue too much,I have decided to put a statement on the forum showing the surveyors findings,as against putting the whole report here,although if you want that it will have to be after the court case.I can then name and shame.I have to give the builders the opportunity to settle out of court,I doubt if they will respond to my solicitors letter,as they dont seem too bothered about their reputation,which will be non existant by the time I'm done,and in many ways I hope not,as I really do want it to go to court.Its the only way to get noticed by the powers that be,that might be able to prevent this type of rip off antic happening again.Your views will be well recieved.So here are the findings,and the action suggested.

 

There are items on the boat that have not been listed,by the surveyor,such as:-

,1) bow,stern,& side hatch doors hinges welded to close to frame,preventing complete closure of doors,

2)roof drains too far forward,water collects in pool at stern,

3)roof sections not welded externally,now opening up letting in damp,

4) no access to fuel taps

**Although these few other faults are seemingly small,they are still faults,and not acceptable.All new boats have some remiadle work required,but am I the only one here getting a raw deal.I think not.

Conclusion

 

10.1 The narrowboat “Iteldoo4me” was surveyed was in the water at Shardlow Marina on 16th Dec 2005.

 

10.2 The engine cooling skin tank was badly formed and welded and should be cut out & replaced.

 

10.3 The hull was possibly leaking at the swim to bottom seam on the aft port side. This should be investigated further.

 

10.4 The hull was possibly leaking at the swim to bottom seam on the aft port side. This should be investigated further.

 

10.5 The diesel fuel tank was leaking at the pipe to tank connections and the spare outlet was not blanked off.

 

10.6 The stern tube/bearing is not ideal for canal use.

 

10.7 The cabin roof is badly buckled in way of the pigeon box.

 

10.8 The gas locker drains are as not at the lowest point.

 

10.9 The battery terminals were not covered or insulated.

 

10.10 I consider that the boat requires some remedial work to be carried out for it to meet the requirements of the Recreational Craft Directive and the Boat Safety Scheme.

 

10.11 The HIN number is not correct. The manufacturer should be contacted and the correct number should be appropriatly attached to the boat

 

 

 

Just an opinion but if you are taking the legal route I dont think its going to be helpfull to put too much on the internet, just keep it private. In addition if its the builder I think it is they read this forum so another reason for keeping it private. I took a boat builder through the legal route a few years back and won.

 

Good luck with this

 

Charles

[iteldoo4me]

Just an opinion but if you are taking the legal route I dont think its going to be helpfull to put too much on the internet, just keep it private. In addition if its the builder I think it is they read this forum so another reason for keeping it private. I took a boat builder through the legal route a few years back and won.

 

Good luck with this

 

Charles

 

I hope they do read it,then they'll be ready for me when I see them in court.I'm certainly not keeping hush about it,and a bit suprised they havent contacted me,if they have read my threads on this topic.Thanks for the advice though.Take it easy.Marc

[Bernie]

Wouldn't it be better if you are ready for them rather than the other way round. I don't really know since I'm not a legal expert but couldn't printing things out on a public forum jeopardise your case?

[Guest]

Wouldn't it be better if you are ready for them rather than the other way round. I don't really know since I'm not a legal expert but couldn't printing things out on a public forum jeopardise your case?

Be careful-I once made a statement about Vetus on a forum, to have it quoted back to me by Vetus. It is surprising how forums are widely read. I sincerely hope you get satisfaction though.

Edited January 5, 2006 by Guest

[iteldoo4me]

Be careful-I once made a statement about Vetus on a forum, to have it quoted back to me by Vetus. It is surprising how forums are widely read. I sincerely hope you get satisfaction though.

 

I must be a stubborn one,but I really feel that I am going in the right direction here,I certainly cant name the builder(done that and got smacked for it)and being ready for them and they for me is my choice.Although I see your point of view,I cant really keep it under wraps.The juicest bits have not been put in the forum.That will have to wait till the case has been heard>>>>>>>>...watch this space

[Gary Peacock]

Be careful they don't do anything creative before you get them to court it is very easy to cease today and reappear with a new hat on tomorrow!

[iteldoo4me]

Be careful they don't do anything creative before you get them to court it is very easy to cease today and reappear with a new hat on tomorrow!

 

 

I agree,and there is always more than one way to skin a cat!

[gaggle]

can you post info on where how you found surveyor in your area,also is it a marine surveyor that should be used,the description given on bss for full survey says marine survey.

is there a national register as in bss examiners that i can look at?

 

i may have to go the same route re-survey to confirm or allay any fears i have about my build.thanks

[Gary Peacock]

can you post info on where how you found surveyor in your area,also is it a marine surveyor that should be used,the description given on bss for full survey says marine survey.

is there a national register as in bss examiners that i can look at?

 

i may have to go the same route re-survey to confirm or allay any fears i have about my build.thanks

 

You have to be careful here, you might remember the residential boat that was "condemned" well the owner John and the builders commissioned a survey on the boat. This in due course was conducted but when queries arose about the RCD certification the surveyor rapidly claimed he wasn't qualified to examine this and it was not part of the remit of surveys he carried out. He later refused to stand by his findings for whatever reason we can only guess!

[gaggle]

You have to be careful here, you might remember the residential boat that was "condemned" well the owner John and the builders commissioned a survey on the boat. This in due course was conducted but when queries arose about the RCD certification the surveyor rapidly claimed he wasn't qualified to examine this and it was not part of the remit of surveys he carried out. He later refused to stand by his findings for whatever reason we can only guess!

was the survey and surveyor mentioned a"full condition survey" and a" professional marine surveyor" in the condemned boat case.

i am not totally dissatisfied but one person at the builders seems to be willing to draw out a lot of little things while his partner is the complete opposite and is more than willing to listen and act on my concerns.

fact is i have £4600 pound ready to give them as soon as the snags are dealt with,the delay in doing them has resulted in me forcing the issue and saying do them or i will take action to show they exist and then use the cash outstanding to pay some one else to do them.

 

i just want to get off on my boat for more than a week at a time and not have to come back to let them do bits of work each time,i was in the property repair game for years and i never came across a situation where people did not want the final payment.

 

we will have to see anyway.people say ,oh your laughing if you owe them money.i dont see it that way.

[Gary Peacock]

was the survey and surveyor mentioned a"full condition survey" and a" professional marine surveyor" in the condemned boat case.

i am not totally dissatisfied but one person at the builders seems to be willing to draw out a lot of little things while his partner is the complete opposite and is more than willing to listen and act on my concerns.

fact is i have £4600 pound ready to give them as soon as the snags are dealt with,the delay in doing them has resulted in me forcing the issue and saying do them or i will take action to show they exist and then use the cash outstanding to pay some one else to do them.

 

i just want to get off on my boat for more than a week at a time and not have to come back to let them do bits of work each time,i was in the property repair game for years and i never came across a situation where people did not want the final payment.

 

we will have to see anyway.people say ,oh your laughing if you owe them money.i dont see it that way.

 

I think it turned out to be based on condition and he stated what he saw rather than actually stating his opinion of it. Also he was recommended by the builder and when things went wrong that made you think about if that was such a good idea. It might be worth a quick letter to the BMF to see who they would recommend.

 

If you can try to get it sorted amicably before getting heavy, once you go down that route and any relationship you have is soured the builders can be very uncooperative in the future if you need them. Usually dangling a cheque is enough of a carrot to get things sorted for both parties.

[Rob@BSSOffice]

You have to be careful here.... the surveyor rapidly claimed he wasn't qualified to examine this and it was not part of the remit of surveys he carried out. He later refused to stand by his findings for whatever reason we can only guess!

 

I stand willing to be corrected, but I believe there are surveyors who would claim specialisations in this area of work. Read their blurbs on their websites, adverts or listings on the surveyors professional bodies' websites. Seek specific assurances from the surveyor before engaging them.

 

Regards

Rob

[by'eck]

A few years down the line & guess your problems are sorted. Your boat looked great when I saw it last week pottering along the Coventry canal between Tamworth & Fazeley.

 

[NB Willawaw]

Sorry to disappoint, but the OP was in 2006 and he sold the boat a couple of years back.

[by'eck]

Sorry to disappoint, but the OP was in 2006 and he sold the boat a couple of years back.

 

Thanks for update - guessed as much but saw the post & thought I would tie up with a recent picture.

 

Hope it will do for the current owner

Edited October 2, 2011 by richardhula

[WotEver]

Do we know the outcome with the builder?

 

Tony

[carlt]

Do we know the outcome with the builder?

 

Iirc they collapsed spectacularly but I think they phoenixed as a smaller operation.