Continuos Cruising

[carlt]

A common misquote

 

"Suit you sir, suit you"

 

Strange, but true

 

Richard

And Paul Whitehouse and Mark Williams get quite annoyed at the misquote which I find even stranger.

 

MORE: Bartleby Scribbler;

 

My troll detector is going off

I don't know.

 

A character who lives in his workplace whilst refusing to move (or do any work) seems quite an appropriate forum name, when discussing this subject.

Edited May 13, 2013 by carlt

[Jerra]

Once again you clearly know more than those actually running the canals.

With great respect to all concerned there are a lot of posters on this forum who feel that their knowledge of running the canals is greater/better than CRT's.

[Lady Muck]

I would hate it if CRT made ccing like some round the world yacht race. What we have now is freedom. Freedom which takes into consideration the needs of people like an elderly couple we met a few years ago. Unable to afford a mooring, used to be able to cruise great distances but now only cruise one canal due to ill health. I think this freedom is worth keeping.

[mrsmelly]

I would hate it if CRT made ccing like some round the world yacht race. What we have now is freedom. Freedom which takes into consideration the needs of people like an elderly couple we met a few years ago. Unable to afford a mooring, used to be able to cruise great distances but now only cruise one canal due to ill health. I think this freedom is worth keeping.

I agree with this post whole heartedly. the big big problem is though that more and more pee takers are taking to boats and its got to end somewhere.

 

Tim

[cotswoldsman]

I would hate it if CRT made ccing like some round the world yacht race. What we have now is freedom. Freedom which takes into consideration the needs of people like an elderly couple we met a few years ago. Unable to afford a mooring, used to be able to cruise great distances but now only cruise one canal due to ill health. I think this freedom is worth keeping.

Shame I can not give you a green thing. Problem is that sometimes people who knock slow moving CCers do not know the individual persons circumstances.

I won't name anyone but I recently had to contact CRT regarding a boater who for the last 13 years had been on an EOG Mooring the land had been sold and he was evicted. Unfortunately at present there are no moorings in the area and his wife has cancer so needs to attend the same hospital.I am pleased that the Trust were sympathetic and said it was ok for him to stay where he was. I imagine those passing his boat will be moaning about a boat that does not leave the area.

Some people are just to quick to judge others and the sooner people just get on with their own lives and stop moaning about others the better!!!

[carlt]

Some people are just to quick to judge others and the sooner people just get on with their own lives and stop moaning about others the better!!!

Have a greenie!

[DeanS]

Greenie from me too. Well done. Result!

sometimes people who knock slow moving CCers do not know the individual persons circumstances.

[Tuscan]

I agree with this post whole heartedly. the big big problem is though that more and more pee takers are taking to boats and its got to end somewhere.

 

Tim

I agree the requirement is to move every 14 days not how far, those that have a genuine reason not to will normally find CRT quite sympathetic there is a boat near us where the owner is on medication that makes it unsafe for him to move , CRT have moved him just off the Visitor Moorings and are allowing him to stay having first given him a winter mooring.

 

As always it's the few that make the waves that cause some in CRT to grab the nearest sledgehammer rather than talk more through empowered patrol officers rather volunteer number crunchers.

[Ex- Member]

There will always be people who can't comply with the rules/guidance for genuine reasons, as happens with any rules or guidance in any other walk of life. The current rules/guidance as I mentioned earlier are far clearer and much more commonsensical than the previous. I really can't understand what's confusing about them.

 

It's as though some people seem to want so scare people off from coming on to the canal network especially if they desire to cc the reality is though having spoken to several boaters here locally that there's really no hassle at all even for those who do occasionally overstay for what ever reason.

 

I believe this is more to do with the a perception that some boaters ie cc'rs are getting away with something, cheaper costs maybe, or freedom, that those stuck in marinas are simply jealous/envious that some have the time, life stile and gumption to be cc'rs I've rarely spoken to cc'rs in real life who complain about other cc'rs in the same way boaters seem to do on a forum.

Edited May 13, 2013 by Julynian

[cotswoldsman]

 

It's as though some people seem to want so scare people off from coming on to the canal network especially if they desire to cc the reality is though having spoken to several boaters here locally that there's really no hassle at all even for those who do occasionally overstay for what ever reason.

 

 

The problem is there is no consistency within CRT some areas they are quite relaxed and in some areas especially in The South they are making up the rules as they go along or at least the Enforcement Officers are.

[blodger]

With great respect to all concerned there are a lot of posters on this forum who feel that their knowledge of running the canals is greater/better than CRT's.

 

The truism is that CART is sadly lacking and seems to be persuing the same lack of common sense as BW i n applying itself

[bowten]

I would hate it if CRT made ccing like some round the world yacht race. What we have now is freedom. Freedom which takes into consideration the needs of people like an elderly couple we met a few years ago. Unable to afford a mooring, used to be able to cruise great distances but now only cruise one canal due to ill health. I think this freedom is worth keeping.

Much as I dislike bringing my current situation onto the forum, after some of the posts made on here I think I must.After 13 years we have had to leave our mooring with 7 days notice.This is where I built my boats,where I cared for my wife while she had cancer treatment,where my son grew up.This is the area where we have good GPs and Jimmys(Leeds Hospital)where my wife is looked after.We have lost a place to build my boats,park my van and be able to walk into town all because of the whim of one man.Skipton has lost an Historical Wharf because of the stupidity of one man.So where does this leave us?CCing around the system?Where would the money come from to buy the diesel,buy spare parts or pay for a new gearbox?We are not retired on a private pension or private income.There is one marina in this vicinity and few online moorings and yes we have applied but with very little feedback.The marina is out of the area for my wife's doctor and Leeds Hospital and we are not changing those.My physical illness precludes using a pedal bike to go and get my van,if you could find a secure place to park it.My feet are sore with walking because of the detached ligaments in my ankles.My back is crippled with un healing fractures caused by osteoporis.The boat is my life FECKIN TELL ME HOW I USE THE CANAL SYSTEM FOR THE BENEFIT OF A CHARITY AND BEFORE ANYONE POSTS COMMENTS SUCH AS LEAVE THE CANAL AND GET A HOUSE ON AN ESTATE OR TERRACED ROW,BEEN THERE DONE THAT!NOW FECK OFF!

[alan_fincher]

With great respect to all concerned there are a lot of posters on this forum who feel that their knowledge of running the canals is greater/better than CRT's.

So are you suggesting that Mr Smelly's interpretation of the relevant legislation is the more correct one, and that CRT are in error when they admit that (however much they might like it to be otherwise), that there is actually no legal requirement to be travelling around half the waterways in the country to comply with "bona fide for navigation".

 

If you are able to tell CRT how they could actually make Mr Smelly's version of what you have to do to comply have any authenticity, then I'm sure they would love to hear from you.

 

But you can't, can you, so there is little point in living in a dream world of how we might (or might not) like things to actually be. Better to stay in the land of reality, and try and find ways of making the canals work in a way that is a good compromise for all the people who are paying lots of money to keep boats on them.

[Jerra]

So are you suggesting that Mr Smelly's interpretation of the relevant legislation is the more correct one, and that CRT are in error when they admit that (however much they might like it to be otherwise), that there is actually no legal requirement to be travelling around half the waterways in the country to comply with "bona fide for navigation".

 

If you are able to tell CRT how they could actually make Mr Smelly's version of what you have to do to comply have any authenticity, then I'm sure they would love to hear from you.

 

But you can't, can you, so there is little point in living in a dream world of how we might (or might not) like things to actually be. Better to stay in the land of reality, and try and find ways of making the canals work in a way that is a good compromise for all the people who are paying lots of money to keep boats on them.

I am not sure where you get all that from I am simply saying what you have quoted. If you read this forum regularly there are many who think they know how the canal system should be run which is better than the way CRT currently run it.

 

You are reading far too much into a simple observation.

 

In my youth there was a local saying "Ivvry body can hanle a kicking hoss bit them as hez it" (translation to make it easy - Everybody can handle a kicking horse apart from those who have to" meaning it is easy to say what should be done when you don't actually have to do it yourself) Many posts on here for me fall into that category.

[blodger]

I am not sure where you get all that from I am simply saying what you have quoted. If you read this forum regularly there are many who think they know how the canal system should be run which is better than the way CRT currently run it.

 

You are reading far too much into a simple observation.

 

In my youth there was a local saying "Ivvry body can hanle a kicking hoss bit them as hez it" (translation to make it easy - Everybody can handle a kicking horse apart from those who have to" meaning it is easy to say what should be done when you don't actually have to do it yourself) Many posts on here for me fall into that category.

 

So you are neither agreeing or disagreeing with Mr Smelly or Alan Fincher but deferring to CaRT?

[Jerra]

So you are neither agreeing or disagreeing with Mr Smelly or Alan Fincher but deferring to CaRT?

I am not sure how I can make what I was trying to say much clearer!

 

I am pointing out that there are/have been on this forum in many threads people posting opinions about how the canals should be run/what CRT are doing wrong. The people making the posts don't seem to recognise/take into account/understand that there is a difference between having to do something "say run a canal system" and merely being in a position to say what you think they should do.

 

I am afraid if you don't understand from the above what I have said at least 3 times in different ways I am at a loss as to how to make it any clearer. In other words I can't so it will be futile to ask.

[carlt]

If you read this forum regularly there are many who think they know how the canal system should be run which is better than the way CRT currently run it.

If you read this forum regularly there are some who are eminently qualified to comment on how the canal system could be run better and even those who lack the paperwork are surely allowed to express an opinion.

[Jerra]

If you read this forum regularly there are some who are eminently qualified to comment on how the canal system could be run better and even those who lack the paperwork are surely allowed to express an opinion.

And I'm allowed to make an observation, as I see it many/most of the differences of opinion as to what should be done are opinions with as many for as against.

[Tuscan]

I am not sure how I can make what I was trying to say much clearer!

 

I am pointing out that there are/have been on this forum in many threads people posting opinions about how the canals should be run/what CRT are doing wrong. The people making the posts don't seem to recognise/take into account/understand that there is a difference between having to do something "say run a canal system" and merely being in a position to say what you think they should do.

 

I am afraid if you don't understand from the above what I have said at least 3 times in different ways I am at a loss as to how to make it any clearer. In other words I can't so it will be futile to ask.

 

You make a reasonable point, which is I believe it's easier to be a keyboard warrior than actually try and physically manage the waterways. These guys at CRT are however paid to do just that so as stakeholders in the charity so to speak its surely reasonable to expect them to do this to their best of their abilities.

 

I agree it's not an easy task and they have issues caused by years of underinvestment, mismanagement, indifference compounded by a growth of boat owners generally and a growth of those of who wish to use their boats as a home.

 

CRT are the custodians and managers of the canal system and are coming to terms with increasing vocal boaters whether that be individuals or boaters groups like Uxbridge or national independant organisations like NABO who are holdng them to account where they would appear to be exceeding their powers but for sure we we all want to work with them where possible as whether you wish to travel a mile or 200 we all want to be on the system that works and caters for all users.

[carlt]

And I'm allowed to make an observation,

Of course you are.

 

I'm not sure where I implied you weren't.

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

 

Don't C&RT just use the term place?

As in 'move from place to place'

If so, the OP in interpreting place to mean neighbourhood has therefore caused a needless debate on what defines a neighbourhood.

 

If C&RT can define what they mean by place then the OP, or anyone else, would be better asking C&RT.

 

Like some others, I think the OP is an agent provocateur.

[Lady Muck]

Does it matter if they are?

 

They asked a reasonable question, I think they should get a reasonable reply. A question like that is only seen as provocative on here because we've been around it a million times already. I've said before and will say again, I get asked similar IRL all the time by wanabee boaters and I don't think I'm being trolled then. Plenty of non boaters think the 'rules' are odd, shouldn't exist and don't understand why. It has to be explained.

[blodger]

And I'm allowed to make an observation, as I see it many/most of the differences of opinion as to what should be done are opinions with as many for as against.

 

And, as it's a discussion forum your observation and the rational of it is being discussed/questioned; Nothing personal

[DeanS]

Here's where the rules fail.

 

A marina paying boater (with a blue boat) can leave his marina for an entire month, and cruise around the area outside the marina with no requirement to leave the area. If a person walked by their boat, it would look like a blue boat. If a CC-er (with a blue boat) cruised into the area, and cruised directly behind the other blue boat for a month, and a person walked by their boat, they would see 2 BLUE BOATS. They would never be able to tell which was the marina paying boat, and which wasnt. For all intents and purposes, both boats look identical, take up the same amount of moorings in the area.

 

Why then, should one be legal, and the other illegal, just because someone wrote a stupid rule.

 

IT MAKETH NO SENSE.

I VOTE ON A CHANGE TO THE RULES TO ALIGN THEM WITH COMMON SENSE.

[Steilsteven]

I have been searching around this subject for a while and don't mean to start a massive argument, but I can't work out what the requirements are because they are so badly written.

 

“Place” in this context means a neighbourhood or locality.

 

Is surely doublespeak? I ask because I would like to live on a boat, moving at least once a week, off the top of my head say a 5 mile trip each week. I would like to stay within 25 miles of my workplace which is literally on the Grand Union so that would give me a stretch of 50 miles. This was just an idea of what would be a nice way to live, but I can't work out if this is acceptable or at what point it becomes unacceptable. It is obviously a big undertaking and I don't want to have to buy the boat and start boating to find out what the canal people mean by neighbourhood or place or locality. It's putting me off all ready. I can afford a mooring anyway if necessary but I don't want to have to be on the mooring as that kind of defeats the point for me and I would rather have a flat overlooking the water in that case. I like the idea of a different view and neighbours at least once a week.

 

This subject always generates a lot of waffle and this thread has proved to be no exception.

What you propose would be perfectly OK, you wouldn't be breaking any rules at all.

 

Keith